Got_boost02
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i get a lot more backfire on the zfr's, but the car seems to feel a little better overall. i like em
STOP USING NGK BKR7E's (idle problems and 3500rpm bogs read me)
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DSMConvert
AWD...say Bye Bye
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Ok lets get a few things clear. A. Just b/c you had bad experiences with something doesn't mean they dont work or are crap. Im sure most of us have had things that work for everyone else but not us...its just the fall of the dice...You're probably one of maybe 5 owners out of 400 that ahve bad results with these plugs.
B. You complain about the plugs, yet you just took a post for being unfoulable and bought the plugs blind...then after you have a bad experience you complain, and then blindly take advice again...if you dont do your research on things you buy you're in for a long road of problems....
C. Do not ever make general assumptions about something simply b/c you had a bad experience. You are not a a professional, and you did not conduct extensive experiments to assume that NGKS are bad for our cars. Its perfectly fine to say YOUR car did not run well with the plugs, but dont tell people not to use them, The suggestions in the mod posts have been contributed by numerous sources that are much more knowledgable than you, and have been for the most part tested and confirmed as good advice.
Now sorry to come down like and ass, but this is probably the 5th thread this week that I have read that has somebody bitching and moaning b/c they're car didnt perform like the person's car who gave the advice. The point of car forums is to give you general advice and suggestions, you are then supposed to take the information and do a little research on your own before whole heartly believing whatever you are told.
B. You complain about the plugs, yet you just took a post for being unfoulable and bought the plugs blind...then after you have a bad experience you complain, and then blindly take advice again...if you dont do your research on things you buy you're in for a long road of problems....
C. Do not ever make general assumptions about something simply b/c you had a bad experience. You are not a a professional, and you did not conduct extensive experiments to assume that NGKS are bad for our cars. Its perfectly fine to say YOUR car did not run well with the plugs, but dont tell people not to use them, The suggestions in the mod posts have been contributed by numerous sources that are much more knowledgable than you, and have been for the most part tested and confirmed as good advice.
Now sorry to come down like and ass, but this is probably the 5th thread this week that I have read that has somebody bitching and moaning b/c they're car didnt perform like the person's car who gave the advice. The point of car forums is to give you general advice and suggestions, you are then supposed to take the information and do a little research on your own before whole heartly believing whatever you are told.
DSMConvert said:
Man, respect your forum elders, I'm sick of you noobs coming in here with a huge chip on your shoulders. Pkay has been here much longer than you have so I don't think he really needs any lessons from you. BKR7E IS the wrong plug for our car. I have attatched the NGK part number key, why don't you take your own advice and do a little research about what is being changed when you go from PZFR6F to BKR7E. THEN come in here and talk s***, mmmmkay?
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MSP FOR LIFE
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I agree with 505zoom and pkay my car idles like garbage with these plugs and does bog around 3500 rpm. Glad now I know that it was these damn plugs causing those problems. thanks pkay and 505zoom.
A) Well guessing from this thread 1/2 the people who use them had problems. Oddly enough there are numerous options without the downfall of the bkr7es. In the event someone has bogging problem (which is a little more common than 5 out of 400 slick) someone can refference to this thread.DSMConvert said:
B) you assume far too much. Discussed this with numerous people way back when and initially the general idea was that these plugs were the ones to have for our car for those of us boosting above stock. Everyone initially got them and life was grand. Then problems arise. When problems arise every other option is looked at except the plugs. Researched this plenty before buying bkr7es and after use of them for some time and further research these plugs are the source of a lot of misdiagnosed problems
C) I drive an MSP and used NGK BKR7E's for nearly 9 months. You dont have to be a professional to do basic trouble shooting. First time the problem happens removed and replaced.... symptoms returned. Replaced with new plugs and problem is gone along with idling problem which never went away with bkrs. Keep in mind the "professionals" are the ones who said timing caused the hesitation problem with our cars.
I'm not bitching and moaning about anything slick.... my car is fine and dandy and i could give a **** if anyone elses operates the same. But it's a common misconception amongst the community that these are problem free, which is not true. Whether my car or the next car has the issues, there are issues.
Not dealing with a punk kid here. Dealing with an adult with an electronic engineering degree.... I know a little about basic troubleshooting on vehicles.... plenty enough to know this should not be viewed as the save all spark plug for our car.
The fact you'd come off talking s*** like that is hillarious. Wanna contribute, contribute wanna talk s*** go to an internet chat room.
BinaryRotary
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Can we say DSMConvert was ......505zoom said:
owned!!!
Pkay said:
Exactly. Just because you can thread a spark plug into the head does not mean it is the proper plug.
All of you who feel that BKR7E is the right plug, please read the part number key that I attatched. You will find that many things are changed from stock spec when you make that switch. It is not like you are just changing to a copper, colder plug.
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Someone should tell Apex so that they can take the BKR7Es off their site & start carrying the right plugs...whenever we determine what those are.
Black Majik MSP said:
I'm tellin you guys man, use the part # key and the stock plug # PZFR6F to determine what you want to run. I'll sum it up for you:
If you want to run colder heat range but stick with the platinum, use PZFR7F.
If you want to run stock heat range but switch to copper, use ZFR6F.
If you want to run colder heat range and switch to copper, use ZFR7F.
If you want to run stock heat range but switch to irridium, use IZFR6F.
If you want to run colder heat range and switch to irridium, use IZFR7F.
Hope this helps.
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