Stock EVO dyno results

Installshield 2 said:
Nick, I thought Sport Compact Car dyno'd a pre-production EVO, and it showed around 227whp? I just noticed that a few months ago on their 10 best for under $30,000 or whatever...and that SRT-4's dyno'd at around 223whp...I could be way off on the EVO part...Were the pre-production models weaker?

With that wheel power those things are making over 300bhp probably...sounds cool indeed....and there are some built evo's in Europe running around 30 psi making upwards of 600bhp...I will still race you:rolleyes:
LOL nice ending to that post
:D
Well there is quite a little contraversy over the actual WHP ratings from the factory as with the ones from dodge for the SRT-4

It seems that many of the cars , including the SRT , have a different destiny.
For example. There are EVO's, here in the states, That will vary on many conditions up to 50WHP.
We along with some other company's in the country (Bushur, Vishnu, Works, MachV to name a few) that have tested Evo's from 210WHP to 263 WHP in completely STOCK form.
There is quite a difference there. As a friend of mine put it on another forum, If you take away a couple of the freaks (4-6) cars out there that made 210 - 215WHP. along with the ones who made 260 -263 WHP then your average is right on the 227WHP mark.
Mine was one of the unusual ones testing in at 263 whp stock before the reflash.
Now let me add that many things can affect a true dyno rreading but never the less the correctional value can vary from 10-20 whp as a given.
Weather, type of gas, factory settings including boost and tolerances. Some tolerances may be in spec some may not be. You could have two identical engines new and they can vary in power because of a simple clamp that may be loose in the intake.

Some evo owners have been back to the dealer after installing a boost gauge and never getting above 15-16 psi peak. After some tightening of the stock clamps for the charge hoses the magically have steady boost again.
After being on the EVO forum for a while i realized a couple of things that i needed to check after i picked mine up. First thing i did was take apart the entire front half of the intake system to make sure everything was rightand tight, which if you can guess THEY werent!!

Now after reflashing the Stock ECU with a new timing, fuel and boost curve the stock evo can produceincredible numbers. Keep in mind that the factory had the car running 9-10:1 A/F ratio.
right now i'm at 10.6-11.1:1 consistenly at intial boost all the way to redline. The dyno tuner wanted to keep me in a safe zone once i go home and turn up the boost.

Also another thing some dont know is that the stock EVO's do run approx. 19.1 psi of boost pressure from the factory. BUT that is only at the lower RPM's. As your engine turns faster the ecu sees this and the control solenoid is set to lower the boost at higher levels. Sometimes down to 11psi.
Given this is a TDO5H at that PSI level it wont do to much up top.
The neon would kill it once it got traction in third and fourth gear quarter mile.
The reflash corrects the ECU control over the solenoid by never letting it go under 18psi. So you keep a constant boost thruout and your midrange and top end torque have been dramatically increased.
anyway im glad she runs so strong.
now we will see what she does at the track this week
:D
 
Micah said:

Currently I'm looking at eithera Saturn Redline (200HP Supercharged - under $20K) .

Um, please don't, just relax take two of these *hands 2 Sanity Plus pills*. A Saturn?

The turbo on the neon is smaller then the the evo and the only reason it can beat an evo (if it can at all) is because the turbo spools up faster. Plus the srt4 is not awd so it doens't have to put power down to all 4 wheels.

You are also getting alot more with the evo then the neon. Add up the costs for a big brake upgrade, turbo upgrade, legal hid headlamps, awd, and the fact that you can finace the extra cost over years instead of buying upgrades with cash or credit(11.9%).
 
I love the EVO. Seen plenty of white ones around Northern Virginia. I'd admire them by driving beside them and just drooling...but then they end up thinking I want to race them and book it. I just wanted to admire the car LOL. Oh well. A guy in a white evo with 1-2 of his buds were on a left turning lane on a light and I pulled up beside them. Just chilling with my girl and listening to some music, next thing you know, he reverses and goes to the slow lane to race me. I'm like..........."awe s***, wtf". Hell, it was late saturday night, got nothing else to do. We played around and obviously he whooped me good. He went and did a Uturn back to the light so he can go to wherever he was going. Only thing I regreted was not giving him a thumbs up on a nice car. Oh well, maybe I'll see him again.
 
xoom xoom said:


The turbo on the neon is smaller then the the evo and the only reason it can beat an evo (if it can at all) is because the turbo spools up faster. Plus the srt4 is not awd so it doens't have to put power down to all 4 wheels.


I have yet to see a stock EVO get s*** on by a SRT-4...The main thing you see with EVO's is new drivers having difficulty with their some what lathargic shifter (from what I have heard they do not like to be hurried)...So bad driver's end up getting pretty pathetic ETs, and most of the problem occurs between the launch and 1st to 2nd shift...Once the driver gets used to it, it will easily keep up with German pedigrees (non turbo 911's, M3's, S4s etc..)...not just in a straight line, but on "TheRing", braking, cornering, looking cool...

A good driver with SRT-4 will most likely be able to give a stock WRX a run, assuming it is an 03 SRT-4...The 04 SRT-4's get a bump in output (and whether it is the stock 2.4L's bhp rating adjusted, since it was clearly more powerful than 215bhp...or if it did indeed gain another 15-20bhp on the already 255 neighborhood), and a mopar LSD...That will definately improve it's 1/4 mile times, and possibly place it's 0-60's in under 5 seconds...EVO's do 0-60 regularly in the 4.8-9 second neighborhood with accustomed drivers...But an 03 EVO and an 03 SRT-4, my money goes to the EVO...The EVO will jump on the launch, and gain enough to stay ahead before the end of the 1/4 mile...On an open highway this may not be the case though...
 
perfworks said:
Those cars are very OVERRATED. The only good thing is the transmission seems to hold up better than the previous one in the wrx's

How are the STi's 'VERY OVERATED'?? The last I checked STi ran a 13.2 and the Evo ran 13.08. Pretty close to me.
 
RAAZ227 said:
How are the STi's 'VERY OVERATED'?? The last I checked STi ran a 13.2 and the Evo ran 13.08. Pretty close to me.
When in comparisont o the WRX the only real feeling to the car that can be called AN IMPROVEMENT is the tranny.
A little stronger ball bearing version of the IHI has been on the market for years. To pay almost 7000$ more than a WRX isnt really worth it for me. She doesnt handle anywhere near the way the EVO does. Some say it is a MUCH better vehicle that is why i said that.
But whatever.
 
I just realized that a stock EVO with another 3-4 grand in mods will absolutely destroy 996 911 Turbo's, and it is a sedan,:D...That kicks ass...I drove a GT-2 last winter, and it was nuts...but I couldn't get over the worrying of turning that $180,000+ machine into a $180,000+ heap of crumpled metal/leather/carbon fiber/circuit transitors etc...
 
Installshield 2 said:
I just realized that a stock EVO with another 3-4 grand in mods will absolutely destroy 996 911 Turbo's, and it is a sedan,:D...That kicks ass...I drove a GT-2 last winter, and it was nuts...but I couldn't get over the worrying of turning that $180,000+ machine into a $180,000+ heap of crumpled metal/leather/carbon fiber/circuit transitors etc...
very true,
Stock internals and 3000$ upgrade turbo intercooler and AFC = 500WHP

new block with upgraded rods and pistons, turbo, intercooler. $6000 and AEM = 700WHP

by the way the $3000 includes what i wrote above, also the $6000 includes the AEM and such also.
 
Hey Nick, I thought the Pros handle very well in cornering, is the EVO a lot better like you say? Also, how come you're not getting JEs and Pauters from your friend for this car?
 
I was staying with Nick pretty good through the twisties at a meet back in Oct, its the straights were there was no comparison
 
ddogg777 said:
Hey Nick, I thought the Pros handle very well in cornering, is the EVO a lot better like you say? Also, how come you're not getting JEs and Pauters from your friend for this car?
The protege is a great handling car . I love my pro5. For the type of car it is and for the money its great. The evo just has a better feel then anything i have ever driven. Steering radius and responce is phenominal. Plus it helps that the AWD can do some great stuff when coming out of the turn.
As far as FBI's comment. Yeah we had alot of fun that day. His car and an MSP in general handles real good. Better than any other car in its class and then some.
As far as the internals are concerned i did. The pauter rods are on the way;)
Just not in the mod list. Reason? because i want to see what the stock internals can do.
 
hey nick ^^my buddy's got an evo with a 3"cat back and gutted cat with a bc pushin 21 lbs....he runs 12.5 in the 1/4 mile....this guys s*** is fast....no way i can be that quick without doing some serious mods.
it just shocks me that with the little mods he put in make them that quick..
nice!
 
unwrittenLaw said:
Yeah if I didn't have a wife, I'd have an Evo :)...but I like my wife better..except when she yells at me..


I bet an Evo wouldnt yell at you! But then again, you can love your car, but you cant LOVE your car! So I think you made the right choice.
 
DiscreetSpeed said:
hey nick ^^my buddy's got an evo with a 3"cat back and gutted cat with a bc pushin 21 lbs....he runs 12.5 in the 1/4 mile....this guys s*** is fast....no way i can be that quick without doing some serious mods.
it just shocks me that with the little mods he put in make them that quick..
nice!
YUP uncorked they do really well. I should be in the twelves but third gear is a little notchy. Next week when i go it should be fun to watch.
 
RAAZ227 said:
How are the STi's 'VERY OVERATED'?? The last I checked STi ran a 13.2 and the Evo ran 13.08. Pretty close to me.

i have read/heard by removing the stock muffler an STI can run high 12's... everything else stock.
 
All y'all talking about the SRT4, I just wanna know if you have actually driven one yet? I did, and I got nothing nice to say about it, so that's all I got to say 'bout that :D I was super gung-ho about the SRT4 too, I'd read up on them for a couple weeks before going in to drive one, had a mod path mapped out and everything. One test drive though and I walked away without a second thought - I'll never own a SRT.

That EVO sounds pretty nice though =) It also sounds like I'd want to take it to someone like perfworks first thing if I got one, those loose screws would make me a little nervous :/
 
Well she is apart and looking good. The manifold, cooler and piping should be done this coming week.
Andy Wagner is doing a great job fabbing the piping.
Here are some pics ealry in the stages.
Ill keep this thread updated as we get done.
 

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