Sport Compact Car magazine

[Kain]

For s**** & giggles, I plugged the numbers into CarsDirect and Edmunds (two of the better market value sites) and both came out between $32.6-$33.5k for a barebones GSR (which is what I would get anyway) in the DC metro area. I mean, this is for an '08, and the new Evo has been out for a while. Not sure what Mitsu's MY cycle is, but I'd imagine they're clearing out inventory for the MY09s.

EDIT: Oh, and Mitsubishi is offering 0.0% for 60 months on the '08 Evo. Again, if only it came in a wagon...

 

[AAMguy]

one of shop cars is an evo x and we got it for 32k

 

[Kain]

hello ,everyone who know how to make runescape money fast??

Sorry, runescape money runs the MZR, so it'll never be fast. If only it used the 4G63 instead...

 

[Kooldino]

While we're on the topic, Edmunds just picked up an '08 Evo X GSR with some AMS mods for longterm testing. Bolt-ons + ECU flash = 370 hp (crank, I'm assuming).

Now if they only offered it in a wagon...

Search around for the Lancer Sportback.

 

[Kooldino]

I wonder what a GSR and those mods what the price would be. I would assume $50k +?

No..simple mods, remember?

You're probably talking at about $1-2K worth of mods.

If you got base GSR for $30K, your car would now cost under $32K.

 

[Kooldino]

thats not bad, how many actually have bought an evo for $33k though?

Mine cost me $34K with every option except for OEM NAV.

Thats without any options right? The dealerships I went to check them out have been in the $40's, not sure if it was markup or options.

That's gouging.

 

[Kooldino]

For s**** & giggles, I plugged the numbers into CarsDirect and Edmunds (two of the better market value sites) and both came out between $32.6-$33.5k for a barebones GSR (which is what I would get anyway) in the DC metro area. I mean, this is for an '08, and the new Evo has been out for a while. Not sure what Mitsu's MY cycle is, but I'd imagine they're clearing out inventory for the MY09s.

EDIT: Oh, and Mitsubishi is offering 0.0% for 60 months on the '08 Evo. Again, if only it came in a wagon...

We have a dealer on evoxforums.com that sales base Evo Xs for $29,999.

 

[AAMguy]

No..simple mods, remember?

You're probably talking at about $1-2K worth of mods.

If you got base GSR for $30K, your car would now cost under $32K.

woah woah man thats simple math... i really doubt he will understand what you are talking about. My little cousin would understand what you are talking about but "alex'whatever'" i doubt could compute this. so my suggestion is try to keep it simple:

lets say the evo cost 1 dollar. and an intake,exhaust costs 2 dollars the new price of the evo would be 3 dollars not 9 dollars.

i think i have properly explained it.

 

[Kooldino]

LOL, be nice.

 

[ericrapp]

These cars are a different class. The Mazda and Mitsu. And are a different style of driving. Tuning suspension and balancing the weight and chassis' is most of road course racing. Horse power is nothing when it cannot get to the pavement, obvious to most of us I suppose. advantage, all wheel drive on . The disadvantage to all wheel drive would be the overall weight from more drivetrain pieces and bits . So power to weight ratio can come into play now. on a road course the front wheel drive will need to take advantage of the longer straights with more horsepower and hopefully traction at speed and later braking with the weight advantage. I realize everyone knows there are many more components to track these cars effectively but they can all be made into incredible track machines whether the quarter mile or Nurbringring.

 

[jeffmsp]

why are you comparing the ms3 to the evo in the first place? I thought this article was about a turbocharged mazda3 (which isnt a mzr, not even close) vs an evoX. the mzr is a much nicer beast than the norm n/a 2.3.

these scc contests are pointless. each car costs different amount of money, have different amounts of money put into them and have teams with vastly different engineering and financial abilities.

to call it a "ultimate street car challenge" is a joke. $500 ford festivas or ford escorts with a few grand in parts and hours of work put into them would run laps around these ass clowns.

if you ask me they should give each team the same car, the same budget, some rules (such as being able to pass smog and emmissions) and a timeline to find out who is the "ultimate street tuner" instead of this "ultimate street car" nonsense.

as for the evo vs mzr debate they are 2 different animals with 10Gs inbetween them. Also not many tuners know s*** about tuning the mzr which accounts for most of the blown motors. stupid people trying to pull off going fast without doing things properly giving the mzr a bad rep. put a good engineer in charge of the ms3 and the engine will make anyone smile. put some ass clown that has a visa card and no real knowledge of what he is doing and the ms3 gets a bad rep pretty quick. unfortuneately the vast majority of ms3 owners dont know s*** about tuning aside from how to order parts from a website and end up doing more harm then good in the long run and b**** and complain about the car during the whole process. (remind you of anyone-see MSP owners..)

if u ask me id take the ms3 and the cash difference any day of the week.

 

[ericrapp]

This is my fault for starting a comparison war. Respect for all these cars is right. Theoretical is great fun. Proven is even better. But in time all these cars and motors will be pushed further a little. New secrets will be revealed with the most recent Evo and our direct injection MazdaSpeed mzr in time, just as the big boy Tuners go after the Nissan Gt-R. They are just not moving as fast on our cars as we would hope.

 

[jeffmsp]

how do you figure? You can get pretty much anything you need to build a serious mazda3 or mazdaspeed3.

standalone ems, front mount intercooler and 3" exhausts can be put on any car lol you dont even need a company to make them for you. the rest is just tuning.

 

[Hambino]

why are you comparing the ms3 to the evo in the first place? I thought this article was about a turbocharged mazda3 (which isnt a mzr, not even close) vs an evoX. the mzr is a much nicer beast than the norm n/a 2.3.

these scc contests are pointless. each car costs different amount of money, have different amounts of money put into them and have teams with vastly different engineering and financial abilities.

to call it a "ultimate street car challenge" is a joke. $500 ford festivas or ford escorts with a few grand in parts and hours of work put into them would run laps around these ass clowns.

if you ask me they should give each team the same car, the same budget, some rules (such as being able to pass smog and emmissions) and a timeline to find out who is the "ultimate street tuner" instead of this "ultimate street car" nonsense.

as for the evo vs mzr debate they are 2 different animals with 10Gs inbetween them. Also not many tuners know s*** about tuning the mzr which accounts for most of the blown motors. stupid people trying to pull off going fast without doing things properly giving the mzr a bad rep. put a good engineer in charge of the ms3 and the engine will make anyone smile. put some ass clown that has a visa card and no real knowledge of what he is doing and the ms3 gets a bad rep pretty quick. unfortuneately the vast majority of ms3 owners dont know s*** about tuning aside from how to order parts from a website and end up doing more harm then good in the long run and b**** and complain about the car during the whole process. (remind you of anyone-see MSP owners..)

if u ask me id take the ms3 and the cash difference any day of the week.

I agree with a good bit of that, but the MZR is not the pinnacle of automotive engineering. It see's some strong gains on bolt-on's and such. But there is literally no comparison to the 4B11T. Sorry, people are blowing motors on stock boost. If we started talking about about building motors, there are dozens of motor's I'd build for way cheaper and make a lot more power than MZR.

As for the USCC, the vast differences in all the entries is the whole point of the contest. Sure some budget cars could clean up some areas, but won't win the other "field equalizer" tests like the emissions and "girlfriend" test. Granted, its a better talking point than official test, but it's a magazine after all. You'll be hard pressed to outgun that Z or Evo X with a caged out Festiva.

Saying the MZR and the motor the used for this car aren't related is ridiculous. Their motor makes more power than any MZR can take in stock trim, period. The level they are at would demand a bottom-end build thereby negating any "MZR is great" argument. Are they the same motor? No. Does it honestly matter at that power level? No. They would have to do the exact same work to either motor to make that power and not melt it down to beaded glass.

 

[ericrapp]

how do you figure? You can get pretty much anything you need to build a serious mazda3 or mazdaspeed3.

standalone ems, front mount intercooler and 3" exhausts can be put on any car lol you dont even need a company to make them for you. the rest is just tuning.

I do not agree, sorry. Specifically to the speed 3, Who offers a hotter cam or adjustable struts besides Koni. There are parts out there but not much selection. Take clutches for example. Also how many folks have a standalone on this car. If you are familiar with the Speed 3 since it came out and followed the progress of tuners and tuning, you would be aware that even the noted tuning shops have struggled with this car. I have spoken to some of them on this subject. I could not find a Cobb protuner any where within 500 miles this springtime. No one is publishing the limits or the learning curves. And although I have a ems in my living room I will not install it yet I just do not feel anyone has found the secrets to this car yet and I am not ready to build a new motor if we make an error. If it was a Honda sure, just load up the chrome program and away you go. I am off track a little but the Bergonholtz racing team with Tripoint are our best bet for extreme performance develpment right now. Thanks

 

[ericrapp]

Now that I am done talking out my behind I will sit down and read the article! hahah

 

[Alexsered]

woah woah man thats simple math... i really doubt he will understand what you are talking about. My little cousin would understand what you are talking about but "alex'whatever'" i doubt could compute this. so my suggestion is try to keep it simple:

lets say the evo cost 1 dollar. and an intake,exhaust costs 2 dollars the new price of the evo would be 3 dollars not 9 dollars.

i think i have properly explained it.

cp-e SB is better than COBB AP(first)

Oh, and I'm planning on putting that subaru hood on my speed3.

 

[jeffmsp]

Their motor makes more power than any MZR can take in stock trim, period. The level they are at would demand a bottom-end build thereby negating any "MZR is great" argument.

The direct injection is what makes the engine great, not the bottom end. Pistons and rods are a must for any serious competition build. For the stock turbo I am sure they could last fine.

Also how many folks have a standalone on this car.

Exactly, people are trying to get away with doing this improperly. Put that motec they had in their m3 on a ms3 and you would be laughing.

 

[Hambino]

Exactly, people are trying to get away with doing this improperly. Put that motec they had in their m3 on a ms3 and you would be laughing.

Yeah, if you can figure Motec on a canbus system first. It would make literally no difference. Turbo M3 vs MS3, sorry direct injection is not going to make a big difference. It would still require very similar built motors to the point where injection style won't matter. All that will matter is that the fuel gets there. Take both cars and build a drag car. Both end up with the same net result.

 

[jeffmsp]

good points but you dont figure that superior atomization of fuel plays any part in detonation resistance/knock threshold?

Perhaps once going WOT at in a drag race at high cfm levels its not as noticeable, but what about the sections of road in between on the road course?