Spool Turbo MP3 Blew Up

Damn that sucks! I was hoping to see you and the car at an auto-x or 2 this summer...but I haven't been out to one yet this year. Oh well...hopefully I'll get to see it next year.
 
azian6er said:
how many miles on her?

stock injectors?

a friend of mine's mp3 with the spool turbo kit blew up about 2 months ago on the freeway. Same description as yours blowing up with the white smoke etc.

When we took off his head there was no piston left in cylinder #2.

We think an injector may have failed on him and then there was massive detonation which blew the piston to pieces.

How many miles are on your injectors?

-B
26,000 miles 550cc injectors... I think it was cylinder number 3. The hole is almost big enough for me to put my fist through.. it's a doosie! :)
 
vindication said:
hey turf, why not go with the gt30 and port the intake to make it work better in our cars.
don't know enough about the GT30.. haven't done the research yet.. but if I do an 18G it may/should bolt right up to the flanges I have right now as I believe it uses the 16G configuration, and then I can save on the mani and the downpipe and so forth which is good.
 
Bigg Tim said:
Booo, no need to spend time with the woman, the car comes first. J/K, cool deal, I know my woman doesn't like the money I've put into my POS but she will get over it.

The only way to see what happened is to open her up. I can gather that you weren't too bummed, but it still sucks a little. But, on the plus side, I'm sure it will be a beast next year.
I just really really wonder what the deal was with the car that no matter what I did tuning wise with it that there was NO difference between 7 and 12 psi. I mean absolutely no change in how it pulled between the different boost levels. I'd run the same timing and the same AFR's and get nothing different out of the car. My brother with a stock MSP was repeatedly pulling on me, which isn't right! And this was before and after my last tune. The last tune was partly out of necessity because my fuel pumps were starting to act up so I switched to the walbro and retuned for the different fuel flow I had then. Hopefully we'll see! I hope it isn't my fault, but if it is, I'll learn from it, share it with you all, happily admit my guilt and move on!
 
well i look forward to hearing about future progress, sucks though i was hoping to see this car in action at lake geneva dog track auto-x :(
 
thats bad but should only lead to better power!! btw my ebc max is 21.6 so far!! but this winter while the car is in the shop i am doing the same..... building a better engine and tranny!! so i guess good luck with both our builds
 
That sucks man. I have a spare blue MP3 with 42,000 on it, new tires, front brakes and turned rotors, freshly waxed. $11,500 w/ winter wheels :D.

Good luck on your rebuild!

Chris
 
If you need rebuild advice, let me know. I can rebuild an FSDE in my sleep. CP 8.5:1 pistons are what you want.
 
Found the hole last night, or at least one of the holes. I think there is more than one, just haven't had time to really look or get it up in the air enough to get under and find them all. But the one hole is just to the passenger side of the under brace that runs front to back. It's big enough I can probably fit my fist through it. One of the pieces I have though is of painted cast iron, and this section that is blown out doesn't look at all like that, so I have to do some more looking to see if I can find where else got blown out. But the hole is pretty huge! I hope to have some pictures soon!
 
ddogg777 said:
Did you replace the oil squirters in your rebuild or did you reuse them?
I would like to know as well! :) This will be a rather big learning experience for me to be sure. Looking forward to it though.
 
Well, at least you have a realistic view about this s***. It took me 2 engines to get the perspective you have now. :) Go see MPNick when it comes time to rebuild. I have been running for over a year now with no oil squirters. Do I recommend it? No. The pistons didn't have enough clearnance, and chopped them off! If I ever rebuild, 8.5:1 CP pistons are what I'm going with!

I do have one theory. I wonder if one of your injectors started getting lazy, and got stuck open?
 
why would an injector stuck open blow the engine? (I'm just used to only hearing detonation, running hot, or overboosting for blowing stuff up).

How much were the injectors that you are using now (the S5's.. or waiting to install... ).
 
The 2nd Gen RX-7 Turbo II S5 injectors I bought off of MP3SkaterNC for like $50. I shipped them To MPNick last week to get the extra injector setup fabbbed up, while I work on my fuel system problems, so they are not installed. Take into account that I am not speaking from experience when I say the following. Just a theory:

If your injector got lazy, wouldn't it stay open longer, or get stuck? If that were to happen, too much fuel could get dumped into the cylinder, and in an extreme case, casue hydrolock? (dunno). Again, I may be talking out my ass!
 
Hmm.. yeah I can see what you were thinking. It didn't miss a lot (just once in a while sort of thing.. not like when running WAY too rich). But that'd be crazy if it did blow because it got swamped with fuel. I'll have to see if there is fuel left in there (probably evaporated by now) or something. I want to pull the plugs and take pictures tonight, but dont' know if I will have time.
 
That happens.
If the injector get stuck open, failure may happen because there is not enough lubrication on the cylinder walls and cause enough heat to fry the rings.

Or the worst environment, too much fuel injected, spark failure, cylinder shutdown starts to get drown in gasoline fast...locks it and the rod bends.
 
I'm hoping (but doubting) that I'll be lucky enough that no metal made it into the turbo. If my turbo and head are intact and I don't need to replace themfor any reason I'll be in good shape and very happy with my situation.
 
TurfBurn said:
I'm hoping (but doubting) that I'll be lucky enough that no metal made it into the turbo. If my turbo and head are intact and I don't need to replace themfor any reason I'll be in good shape and very happy with my situation.

woohoo. you will be "very happy"?? LOL


turfburn said:
Latest Mod: Engine Weight Reduction, in the form of a large chunk missing from the block.

Buy a piece of history!: Block shards from the first turbo MP3 engine for sale! :) Only a dollar plus shipping.

(Really just kidding on the pieces, but if you really want one I can probably knock off a piece for you, or give you a chunk from the engine bay!)
(attn)
i want 1 piece. how much for shipping to nj? if i do paypal, do you want me to build in an extra 3%?
 
roni said:
woohoo. you will be "very happy"?? LOL



(attn)
i want 1 piece. how much for shipping to nj? if i do paypal, do you want me to build in an extra 3%?

The only real down side I see in this whole situation is being out of racing for the season. Which does give me time to do some other stuff... it sucks that it will cost so much.... but it does "force" me to have to do the block which in the end is a good thing for me! :)

I'll find a good chunk for you, and pm you. The one good chunk I have right now that is of size is precious to me for now as it is the first part I found of the first motor I blew :). But there are plenty of other pieces! LOL.
 
Turf:

We are lucky this is not a Honda. 99% of all mazda blown motors, the head is kept intact.

Check your plugs, if you see them being hit by debrees or anything, you will most likely be in trouble with the head.
 
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