Space The Final Frontier
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Even in hondas its not the best idea to run high compression under pressure just cuz the chance of pre detination is very likely. When ur piston fires before it supose to aka pre detintation then thats when u have very bad things happen to ur turbo and motor. This is also know as lots of money down the drain. Hondas in the past and even now run notable higher compression with turbos than us mazda boys would ever dream of but they still have a limit too.
Ummmmmmm MP3Boy1984 U can get forged pistons that have low compression ratio. Something like an 8.1:1 or a 8.5:1 would be good for a high pressure system. I mean real high. These are still performance pistons. If ur going turbo and plan on beating 'stangs and hey why not aim high, aim for like say some Z06's then u are going to have to have a bad ass turbo application. I'm not saying u can't get there naturally asperated i am just saying turbo is the way to go for us po' people and of course that damn bov sounds so cool when its whisles its lil tune to scare everyone away or even callenge them. So i hope that helps
Peace,
Zane
Lets see where to start...
Even in hondas its not the best idea to run high compression under pressure just cuz the chance of pre detination is very likely. When ur piston fires before it supose to aka pre detintation then thats when u have very bad things happen to ur turbo and motor. This is also know as lots of money down the drain. Hondas in the past and even now run notable higher compression with turbos than us mazda boys would ever dream of but they still have a limit too.
Ummmmmmm MP3Boy1984 U can get forged pistons that have low compression ratio. Something like an 8.1:1 or a 8.5:1 would be good for a high pressure system. I mean real high. These are still performance pistons. If ur going turbo and plan on beating 'stangs and hey why not aim high, aim for like say some Z06's then u are going to have to have a bad ass turbo application. I'm not saying u can't get there naturally asperated i am just saying turbo is the way to go for us po' people and of course that damn bov sounds so cool when its whisles its lil tune to scare everyone away or even callenge them. So i hope that helps
Peace,
Zane
Protege01MP3
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Zane,
You just made ALOT of people feel ALOT better about their proteges.. lol... everyone is always talking about the negative aspects of our motors for some reason... its alway.. "it cant be done", "it shouldnt be done", "i wouldnt try it if i were you", "that is a dangerous idea w/ our motors", and so on and so on... its good to see you looking at the glass as half full... and bringing ideas to the table that are very good and actually valid and do-able ideas
good post!
Peace
You just made ALOT of people feel ALOT better about their proteges.. lol... everyone is always talking about the negative aspects of our motors for some reason... its alway.. "it cant be done", "it shouldnt be done", "i wouldnt try it if i were you", "that is a dangerous idea w/ our motors", and so on and so on... its good to see you looking at the glass as half full... and bringing ideas to the table that are very good and actually valid and do-able ideas
good post!
Peace
mp3boy1984
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I think our cars have a lot of potential being naturally aspirated. No one wants to do the god damn work or research. And i pitty you all that think turbo's are all we have that will make our cars fast. Even though i am getting a turbo, if i didn't like the cool noise they make, and oh yes the ultimate goal, supreme horsepower, i bet that you could easily achieve 200 hp at the wheels with our cars without a turbo. All it takes is some money and a dream. Anyway, i just want to say that i love my car no matter what anybody else says, i also love my aem intake, it is bad ass. And for those who have a bad first second shift can you explain it further, cuz i just got my car back from getting the 3rd gear synchro replaced, and i don't have a problem with first to second. yay for me. Anyway i just want to say that people need to start doin a little more research before they decide to go turbo cuz there is a lot of stuff out there for our cars, you just need to put a little effort into doing the research.
Peace,
Evan
Peace,
Evan
DooMer_MP3
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Wow, I can see high compression FS-DE and Turbo being problematic without proper building, but high compression FS-DE and Thomas Knight Turbo!?!?! (flame2) (flame) (wow) (chair)
Chris
Chris
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mp3boy1984 said:
To get 200 hp from the 2.0 L motor without a turbo/supercharger, you're going to have to sacrifice low end and even mid range torque. Your motor will be idling at like 1,500 RPM because it won't idle smooth enough below that and so on. It's possible yes. But the drawbacks will be numerous. You're talking a race-tuned engine: great when you're on the gas but is terrible when you're just cruising. This is why Honda and others have switched to variable valve timing: It's the most practical way of getting lots of horsepower out of a small engine without sacrificing low speed driveability.
A turbo eliminates the driveability problems of making a 2.0 liter engine make 200 hp because the turbocharger makes the engine "act" like it's a 3.0 liter. Yet, at low RPM, it's still the same engine that came from the factory.
And yeah. High compression along with a Turbocharger is a disastrous combo. You want to keep your compression down around 8 to 1 or 8.5 to 1 if you plan on boosting above 10 psi. Although those Turbo kits work with the stock 9.5 to 1 compression because they don't boost beyond 8 psi I think.
mp3boy1984
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why would i have to worry about Knight turbo's he doesn't even make the turbo's he uses mitsu, and T3-T4's and then he makes them fit our engines, so i don't even see how that could be thomas knight's fault. I am going to get one, and i will let you know how everything goes. And if it is a piece, then i guess you can all laugh at me, but if it works i will laugh at you all.
DooMer_MP3
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mp3boy1984 said:
Yeah, pretty much nobody you find is actually going to MAKE the turbo/supercharger. Those are done by companies themselves. It would be in your best interest to trust us and NOT EVER SAY THE WORD THOMAS KNIGHT AGAIN. If you try one of his "kits", I will say you are a complete fool. I have never ever read of anybody who has actually liked one of his "kits".
I wish I could direct you to a thread on probetalk.com (the I4 Ford Probe uses the same engine as the MP3), but they are redsigning their site. The person there that bought the kit said that parts were missing, welds were full of holes, and parts were bent with a hammer to make them fit.
I really hope you have read enough to disuade you from Thomas Knight Turbos. It would be in your best interest to buy spoolinmp3s kit for cheaper, the BEGI kit for a bit more, or TriPoint's kit.
In summary: TKT (piss)
Chris
DooMer_MP3
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BTW mp3boy1984,
I apologize if I sound like a jerk, but it really seems like you are considering a TKT turbo, and I just want to save you before you make a huge mistake
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Chris
I apologize if I sound like a jerk, but it really seems like you are considering a TKT turbo, and I just want to save you before you make a huge mistake
.Chris
Hey
I'm not going to bash TKT... oh yeah iam the suck period. No questions asked. Get Spoolin's starter kit and do the rest urself and u got ur power u want. Don't go with crap go with quality. Its worth every last red sent. And btw i never said u couldn't make just as much power with an n/a applicationall i am saying is just a repeatof ur exact words a dream and money lots and lots of money or u can go turbo, hard choice for me what do u think u should do. Sorry about my good gramma(grammer) and allmy run o sentences lols
Peace,
Zane
Keep Rollin'
I'm not going to bash TKT... oh yeah iam the suck period. No questions asked. Get Spoolin's starter kit and do the rest urself and u got ur power u want. Don't go with crap go with quality. Its worth every last red sent. And btw i never said u couldn't make just as much power with an n/a applicationall i am saying is just a repeatof ur exact words a dream and money lots and lots of money or u can go turbo, hard choice for me what do u think u should do. Sorry about my good gramma(grammer) and allmy run o sentences lols
Peace,
Zane
Keep Rollin'
mp3boy1984 (What an appropriate name), no offense man, but you REALLY sound like an immature fool. You OBVIOUSLY don't know much about cars, and your being cocky and arguing with people who obviously know more than you. Please do get your TKT kit and your indigo underdrive pulleys.
These are my terms to describe a respectable performance car, not all cars.Kooldino said:
If the car is over a 8 second 0-60 in the perfomance relm of my eyes it isn't s***!
Basicly Stock Civic, not a sports car, stock P5 not a sports car, stock Corrola not a sports car, stock focus not a sports car.
My Protege plus 8 PSI, getting closer.
I'm not bashing anyones car. If its slow every owner knows it, big deal. Peole take the 1/4 mile times of there car to friggen personaly. I just hate it when people refer to a car as being fast or quick when it can't even break a 16 second 1/4 mile.
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mp3boy1984
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Kooldino, you are gay, i hate you with a passion, you should just go kill yourself, you have bashed me before and i will not take it this time. Last time you said you wanted to see time slips of my quarter mile, well it seems as if you don't have anything done to your car. So whatever, my car is just as good as yours. Anywho, i am not immature, i am just trying what no one else has, and i have the begi kits the intercooler is so gay looking
mp3boy1984
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woops, i didn't mean that i have the begi kits, but i meant that i have seen the begi kits
mp3boy1984
low rid'n member
oh and kool, i probably know more about cars than you do, i have been involved with imports alone for 3 years, and involved with cars since the age of 10 
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