Solo II FSP 1st Gen vs. 3rd Gen

[xelderx]

i dont know what size tire you need to clear the brakes but:

Mazdaspeed 5 way adjustable Struts
GAB 5 way adjustable struts
Ford Racing Tokico Zx-2 Struts
Mazdaspeed A-spec Springs
Eibach springs
Sprint Springs
Ground Controls
H&R springs
Suspension Tech Sway bars
Off The Line Motorsports lower tie bars
OEM strut bars (mazda/mazdaspeed makes front and rear)
you can use the msp lsd, or there are 4 or 5 different first gen gseries that came with lsd's. TheMan listed them once, i cant remember where
Last time i weighed mine it was 2345 with me in it, but that was with cf hood, the rims and everything out of the back

and then you have the bulletproofness of the first gen, and the bp, plus the rock solid reliability that the first gen provides. and bps dont blow up when you turn left, go down the highway, go up the mountain roads, etc

I love you Robert...you never called me back.

 

[Salmon_Rob]

my bad. i got ran into

 

[noclue119]

Probably later next month. I'll have to see how the financial side of things look.

Justin if you need a place ot stay let me know... My condo will be basically empty for 3-4 month.. Just PM me if you need it

 

[dmitrik4]

there's a non-sunroof LX for sale near me. yet again, i'm wishing i never sold my '90 SE. what a great car.

I was thinking about 13X9 or 14X9" rims.

225/45/13 Hoosiers on 13x9 rims should work just fine, and their uber-shortness will help. the DX/SE came stock w/ 13s, and i really don't think there's any need to fit bigger brakes.

btw, AWR offers 1st gen strut tubes w/ shortened Bilsteins, or single-or double-adustable Koni inserts. rock.

 

[Salmon_Rob]

the lx front rotors are bigger though. i cant remember if the 13s still clear them

 

[xelderx]

Koni inserts sound preety good. I can always get the LX and swap in the smaller front brakes.

 

[dmitrik4]

you might have to swap in the rear drums too...LXs came w/ 4-wheel discs; the other came w/ rear drums.

the lx front rotors are bigger though. i cant remember if the 13s still clear them

i know. i'm assuming the car is an SE/DX w/ an LX drivetrain swapped in, which is the way i'd go. from what i've read, that swap is pretty straightforward.

 

[Salmon_Rob]

id use the bigger brakes, they are amazing

 

[xelderx]

I'm probably going to end up buying the blue one in the pictures that I posted If Robert can't find me a full LX with no sunroof and manual tranny. I can't find any other local ones. The blue was an auto so I'll have to source a tranny for it since it's, but I'll be stripping the entire car down anyway so converting it back to a manual won't be a big deal.

 

[Salmon_Rob]

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=178167222&dealer_id=49733583&car_year=1993&model=PROTE&bkms=1127414022523&lang=en&isp=y&start_year=1990&certified=&search_type=used&distance=50&make=MAZDA&min_price=&address=28407&advanced=&end_year=1994&max_price=&cardist=5#vdptop

im going to go test drive this today. i cannot tell if it has a moonroof or not, but it looks to be in your price range, and looks mint as hell. and at 140k, its barely broken in

 

[moxnix]

Looks like a moonroof in the picture to me but I could be wrong.

Also with update/backdate brakes do not have to be swapped as a whole system IIRC so you might be able to just swap in the brake parts that you want and not have to swap in parts you dont.

Now you just need to make your brake rotors look like this.

 

[xelderx]

^^^

Actually I'm getting ready to do that on a slightly lesser scale to my rotors. You stand to lose a few pounds of rotational mas per wheel like that. That picture is a little excessive since I still use mine for street duty, but the 1st Gen I'm building might get that kind of treatment.

 

[moxnix]

Somebody said that picture was a scirocco but I also saw rotors something like that on Andy Hollis's STS Civic.

 

[dmitrik4]

bump!

what about dropping the better engine into the better chassis...a BP into a 3rd gen?

this is just spitballing; i have NO idea about mounting points or anything. i highly doubt it could be done legally, but if it could, that's the way to go.

 

[Gen1GT]

bump!

what about dropping the better engine into the better chassis...a BP into a 3rd gen?

this is just spitballing; i have NO idea about mounting points or anything. i highly doubt it could be done legally, but if it could, that's the way to go.

ANYTHING can be done with enough time and money. A better choice would be an FE3.

 

[dmitrik4]

did the FE3 ever come in a protege in the US? if not, it's not Street Prepared legal.

i'm not considering cost (as hypothetical stuff is always free); merely the ability to do it w/in the rules.

edit: the specific rule that seems to govern any update/backdate swap is 15.1.C, which states in relevant part:

"The updated/backdated part or the part to which it is to be attached may not be altered, modified, machined or otherwise changed to facilitate the updating/backdating allowance."

which would seme to require a straight drop-in swap only. however, 15.10.I states that:

"Engine mounts may be replaced, but must attach in the factory location(s) without additional modification or changes."

it sounds like as long as the mounts attach to the engine and frame in the OE locations, you're OK.

i'm specifically wondering about the difference in the mounting points.