Don't go k04 if yours fails. Yeah goin big turbo is more expensive but ALOT safer on the car.
Smoky Turbo Fix
- Thread starter RUMBLEFISH
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Don't go k04 if yours fails. Yeah goin big turbo is more expensive but ALOT safer on the car.
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- 06 LS MS6
07 BM GT (shell has been struck from the roll)
48K, no smoke, but the clutch has slipped on 5-4 downshifts a couple times
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- 09 mazdaspeed 3
+1 the poor small k04 does nothing but work so hard to keep this car moving haha.
as for the PTP smoking fix, around 17k i had some small smoke. real light after sitting idle for awhile. put the pll in takes all of 20seconds to do. and i haven't had any smoking since.
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- 2011 Mustang GT
I'll clue everyone in on some other tidbits of info regarding our turbos.
Mazda/Hitachi-Warner have revised the turbo twice since the inception of it on the MS6. The turbo part # reflects this, and currently, the turbo should end with 70ZC, where 70ZA and 70ZB have preceeded it. The 'C' revision has an updated seal design which is beefed up, to prevent oil creeping past the seals and causing the infamous white smoke.
Also, Mazda is 'working' on a PCV fix. I say it loosely because this was supposed to be done at the beginning of Oct., and it never came out. They also had a Mazda Tip On Line (MTOL) 5505 regarding this very issue. The solution was to change the oil to 5w-40, and if the smoking went away, inform the customer a fix was being developed, and hope that it wouldn't return before their next scheduled oil change. This hasn't been the case. I've heard from service managers themselves that Mazda has been authorizing total turbo replacements instead of a second oil change on 5w-40.
Now, the PTP fix is supposed to cure the problem, but it has seen mixed results. I've read up on it across several forums, and it seems to have a generally positive result, but not everyone is fixed by using it.
There are options for upgrading from the K04, but if you're not willing to understand how to safely upgrade the system, then you've got the potential to do some serious damage to your motor. Most GT3071/3076 are externally wastegated, which requires a new mainfold, EWG, and tuning to run correctly. For those that are IWG, you need to port the wastegate to avoid boost creep. There's also a hybrid K04 on the market, which uses the center rotating housing assembly (CRHA) from a T3/T4 turbo to replace the sub-par OEM K04 one. It's a bit pricey, but looks stock when installed.
Rumblefish, no disrespect, just adding some info to the topic.
Mazda/Hitachi-Warner have revised the turbo twice since the inception of it on the MS6. The turbo part # reflects this, and currently, the turbo should end with 70ZC, where 70ZA and 70ZB have preceeded it. The 'C' revision has an updated seal design which is beefed up, to prevent oil creeping past the seals and causing the infamous white smoke.
Also, Mazda is 'working' on a PCV fix. I say it loosely because this was supposed to be done at the beginning of Oct., and it never came out. They also had a Mazda Tip On Line (MTOL) 5505 regarding this very issue. The solution was to change the oil to 5w-40, and if the smoking went away, inform the customer a fix was being developed, and hope that it wouldn't return before their next scheduled oil change. This hasn't been the case. I've heard from service managers themselves that Mazda has been authorizing total turbo replacements instead of a second oil change on 5w-40.
Now, the PTP fix is supposed to cure the problem, but it has seen mixed results. I've read up on it across several forums, and it seems to have a generally positive result, but not everyone is fixed by using it.
There are options for upgrading from the K04, but if you're not willing to understand how to safely upgrade the system, then you've got the potential to do some serious damage to your motor. Most GT3071/3076 are externally wastegated, which requires a new mainfold, EWG, and tuning to run correctly. For those that are IWG, you need to port the wastegate to avoid boost creep. There's also a hybrid K04 on the market, which uses the center rotating housing assembly (CRHA) from a T3/T4 turbo to replace the sub-par OEM K04 one. It's a bit pricey, but looks stock when installed.
Rumblefish, no disrespect, just adding some info to the topic.
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SPEED DEMON
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- 08 ms3, 08 cx7, 91 roadster
I don't know much on this topic but it seems like one would have to install this "pill" before you get oil past the seals right?
You can't undo what has been done comes to mind.
Just my 2 cents.
You can't undo what has been done comes to mind.
Just my 2 cents.
Sorry, I dislike being referred to as a retard by someone with the grammatical skills of a toddler.
It is you're, as in you are!
johnnyB5646
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- 07BlkMica MazdaSpeed3
I am stock, and after my commute to work, i can fill the parking lot with whitish-blue smoke while at idle. I brought it in to Mazda and they put in synthetic oil just like tunersteve said. If it continues, anyone think I should try the pill or see what Mazda will do for me. If they have updated the turbos to stop smoking, then this might be the best avenue for me as long as it is still under warranty. Should I mention this fix to the service tech, who will probably look at me like an idiot?
SomnoSpeed3
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- 2007 Mazdaspeed3 G/T
I wouldn't mention it. I did and got the "shut up idiot" treatment.
Well, I put the pill in three weeks ago and NOT ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE!!!! Smokes just like always. Maybe the oil in there will burn it's self out and then no smoke? Or maybe it just didn't work for me. Either way, THIS EFFING Sucks!!!
Well, I put the pill in three weeks ago and NOT ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE!!!! Smokes just like always. Maybe the oil in there will burn it's self out and then no smoke? Or maybe it just didn't work for me. Either way, THIS EFFING Sucks!!!
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- 2011 Mustang GT
That's when you go to another dealer and bring a printed copy of it. Hopefully someone gets something accomplished with it.
