Smic?

[ZyrehT]

I'm thinking $500 or so... the only thing I don't have is the bolts that hold the shroud in place, because I never used the shroud... in fact, I'll have to see if I can find that. I'm sure it's somewhere in my apartment. it's the 3.5" by the way.

Without the shroud you weren't drawing properly. There is more air drawn over the TMIC than pushed. Without the gasketing you're getting half what you should.

 

[ZyrehT]

go FMIC trust me! i had the ets TMIC and now a cobb FMIC and the cobb feels way better, and looks better

Also, don't listen to fanbois.

 

[oaklandopen]

spoiler mount intercoolers are great!

worthless....i replaced my side view mirrors with twin intercoolers

 

[sluflyer06]

Also, don't listen to fanbois.

I would tend to agree with mikespeed3. A tmic is a tmic doesn't matter if its on a Mazda, Mini Cooper, or Subaru. The entire concept is inherently flawed by design.

Heat rises, your taking an object that supposed to cool an air charge and mounting it directly above a intensely hot engine and then sealing it into a confined space, additionally its only being cooled when your actually moving at a reasonable rate of speed even if your out of boost its still being heated up.

Remember a intercooler is just a heatsink, given the location of a FMIC it is radiating heat even when your stopped whereas the tmic cannot radiate its heat because the air around it is hotter than the intercooler itself.

The two largest reasons manufacturers choose to use tmic's is for packaging&cost.

 

[sleeper3]

Without the shroud you weren't drawing properly. There is more air drawn over the TMIC than pushed. Without the gasketing you're getting half what you should.

well, when I said never, I meant that I tried it for a short time with the shroud on, and the thing kept hitting plastic pieces on my firewall, and I've been driving without the shroud for several months, and I really don't feel a difference at all. my fastest times at the track were without the shroud. now, are you speaking from personal experience, or do you have anything worthwhile to say about this at all?

 

[sleeper3]

I would tend to agree with mikespeed3. A tmic is a tmic doesn't matter if its on a Mazda, Mini Cooper, or Subaru. The entire concept is inherently flawed by design.

Heat rises, your taking an object that supposed to cool an air charge and mounting it directly above a intensely hot engine and then sealing it into a confined space, additionally its only being cooled when your actually moving at a reasonable rate of speed even if your out of boost its still being heated up.

Remember a intercooler is just a heatsink, given the location of a FMIC it is radiating heat even when your stopped whereas the tmic cannot radiate its heat because the air around it is hotter than the intercooler itself.

The two largest reasons manufacturers choose to use tmic's is for packaging&cost.

good point! I'm expecting to have a billion more horsepower when I switch to the front mount!

 

[sluflyer06]

good point! I'm expecting to have a billion more horsepower when I switch to the front mount!

I'd think closer to 2 billion actually.

 

[sleeper3]

seriously, though, I don't think that the top mount vs front mount thing is a big deal. I got stellar results with the top mount. I'm switching to front mount for 2 reasons... 1) I want to avoid heat soak AT THE DRAG STRIP (I don't think heat soak is a huge issue on the street) 2) I want the access port so I'm getting the cobb unit.

that's really it. plus it looks cool!

 

[sluflyer06]

seriously, though, I don't think that the top mount vs front mount thing is a big deal. I got stellar results with the top mount. I'm switching to front mount for 2 reasons... 1) I want to avoid heat soak AT THE DRAG STRIP (I don't think heat soak is a huge issue on the street) 2) I want the access port so I'm getting the cobb unit.

that's really it. plus it looks cool!

I'm not saying you can't make good power on a top mount. I made 360whp on my Subaru with a top mount on pump gas. But power numbers aren't everything.

I'm not sure where you live, but my 11 mile commute to work consists of stop and go traffic averaging less than 20mph on city streets in Chicago. Its a tmic worst nightmare, never enough airflow to cool it. On my way home I take 80% local roads and about 3 miles of a highway and if I get onto the highway and then go WOT I can literally feel the car sh*tting itself and yanking timing because the tmic is hopelessly heatsoaked....not exactly ideal.

So for some people yea maybe a tmic is good if you live somewhere that isn't densely populated and you regularly get up to 40-45mph.

 

[mikespeed3]

Also, don't listen to fanbois.

i bought the cobb because it is a quality unit, and because FMIC is superior to TMIC for one main reason, heat soak

as stated below, the heat soak is still an issue with TMIC, i found that it was an issue with my ETS TMIC, so i bought FMIC and was greatly impressed

 

[mikespeed3]

I would tend to agree with mikespeed3. A tmic is a tmic doesn't matter if its on a Mazda, Mini Cooper, or Subaru. The entire concept is inherently flawed by design.

Heat rises, your taking an object that supposed to cool an air charge and mounting it directly above a intensely hot engine and then sealing it into a confined space, additionally its only being cooled when your actually moving at a reasonable rate of speed even if your out of boost its still being heated up.

Remember a intercooler is just a heatsink, given the location of a FMIC it is radiating heat even when your stopped whereas the tmic cannot radiate its heat because the air around it is hotter than the intercooler itself.

The two largest reasons manufacturers choose to use tmic's is for packaging&cost.

Thanks

 

[ZyrehT]

well, when I said never, I meant that I tried it for a short time with the shroud on, and the thing kept hitting plastic pieces on my firewall, and I've been driving without the shroud for several months, and I really don't feel a difference at all. my fastest times at the track were without the shroud. now, are you speaking from personal experience, or do you have anything worthwhile to say about this at all?

You get more flow from draw which is caused by air moving under the car and pulling from the engine bay than what is being pushed in from the front. Without the gasket it doesn't happen. All talking about "feeling" the 20 hp you loose from heatsoak are full of crap. Now do you have anything worthwile to add?

 

[ZyrehT]

Remember a intercooler is just a heatsink, given the location of a FMIC it is radiating heat even when your stopped whereas the tmic cannot radiate its heat because the air around it is hotter than the intercooler itself.

There is nothing being "radiated" when you're stopped, where the heck do you get info. The "radiator" in you car does nothing when stopped as well, hence the fan.

 

[ZyrehT]

and looks better

Fanboi motto.

 

[AAMguy]

Fanboi motto.

how can you be a fanboi for an actual product like a fmic. He just mentioned cobb...but a fmic will out perform a tmic any day of the week. I hate fanbois for calling people fanbois. try to contribute something more next time.

 

[sluflyer06]

There is nothing being "radiated" when you're stopped, where the heck do you get info. The "radiator" in you car does nothing when stopped as well, hence the fan.

Thermodynamics escapes you. ANY object at a higher temperature than its external environment is going to cool down naturally by releasing its heat.

Your car radiator IS radiating heat even without the fans just not enough to cool the engine.

I'm trying to think of a simple enough example...OK so your car is all nice and up to operating temp, you put your hand NEAR the radiator, not on it, just near it. What do you feel? Oh yea you feel heat because the radiator is radiating heat into the air.

Look up thermal radiation & heat exchange.

Heat transfer is the transition of thermal energy from a heated item to a cooler item. When an object or fluid is at a different temperature than its surroundings or another object, transfer of thermal energy, also known as heat transfer, or heat exchange, occurs in such a way that the body and the surroundings reach thermal equilibrium. Heat transfer always occurs from a hot body to a cold one, a result of the second law of thermodynamics. Where there is a temperature difference between objects in proximity, heat transfer between them can never be stopped; it can only be slowed down.

Also look up Newton's law of cooling.
states that the rate of heat loss of a body is proportional to the difference in temperatures between the body and its surroundings, or environment

 

[sleeper3]

You get more flow from draw which is caused by air moving under the car and pulling from the engine bay than what is being pushed in from the front. Without the gasket it doesn't happen. All talking about "feeling" the 20 hp you loose from heatsoak are full of crap. Now do you have anything worthwile to add?

you still haven't added any experiential knowledge. you're arguing based on conjecture and "best case scenarios." Which intercooler do you have?

 

[AAMguy]

its simple...i was tuning a 04 wrx yesterday 18g, stock top mount at it made 236whp and then ran out of steam. well I called the customer told him we had a fmic layin and told him we would give it a try the car then made 258whp. It still had room to breathe too, if I wouldve added meth to the car it would have made even more power...I know every car is difference but its a silly arguement between a tmic/smic/fmic/vmount this or that...

 

[oaklandopen]

Thermodynamics escapes you. ANY object at a higher temperature than its external environment is going to cool down naturally by releasing its heat.

Your car radiator IS radiating heat even without the fans just not enough to cool the engine.

I'm trying to think of a simple enough example...OK so your car is all nice and up to operating temp, you put your hand NEAR the radiator, not on it, just near it. What do you feel? Oh yea you feel heat because the radiator is radiating heat into the air.

Look up thermal radiation & heat exchange.


Also look up Newton's law of cooling.
states that the rate of heat loss of a body is proportional to the difference in temperatures between the body and its surroundings, or environment

to add to that slightly on the basis that it is the most scientific post in this thread...every 10 degrees farenheit drop of incoming air charge to the cylinder equates to a 1% increase of hp

 

[sleeper3]

to add to that slightly on the basis that it is the most scientific post in this thread...every 10 degrees farenheit drop of incoming air charge to the cylinder equates to a 1% increase of hp

there is no way that's correct, due to the law of diminishing returns. sorry to burst your bubble, but if you want to follow up on a scientific post, you need to have your facts straight.