Sillicon IC pipe???

[Ryoga28]

Too bad I had sold my pipes earlier this week for $38 shipped, to which the shipping was $24...

 

[Velocifero]

this is a very informative thread!! good job guys for not thread-jacking !!!! i too, am interested in the lower IC pipe....i think JDM is interested BUT he will need to have a stock lower IC pipe to use as a 'model' for deminsions and such...

I offered my lower pipe through PM, he said he would bring it to SamCo's attention and get back to me, it's been awhile, since we first mentioned it in this thread a while back. I requested to do the test bed too, maybe thats why they don't want to commit to it, he did say it would be a fairly pricey piece due to the amount of material, Honestly I wanted to get it in two pieces so I could move my maf to the cold pipe. we'll see what happens, I have a part time job on saturdays just so I can buy parts for the car...after christmas. I wanted to get the upper pipe on before now, but just couldnt ever pull the founds, wife and i just bought a house so the car had to take a hit for a little bit, but anywhos i am rambling on and on. Hopefully we'll be able to work out a lower pipe since the upper is such a recent success.

 

[Ryoga28]

I offered my lower pipe through PM, he said he would bring it to SamCo's attention and get back to me, it's been awhile, since we first mentioned it in this thread a while back. I requested to do the test bed too, maybe thats why they don't want to commit to it, he did say it would be a fairly pricey piece due to the amount of material, Honestly I wanted to get it in two pieces so I could move my maf to the cold pipe. we'll see what happens, I have a part time job on saturdays just so I can buy parts for the car...after christmas. I wanted to get the upper pipe on before now, but just couldnt ever pull the founds, wife and i just bought a house so the car had to take a hit for a little bit, but anywhos i am rambling on and on. Hopefully we'll be able to work out a lower pipe since the upper is such a recent success.

I like the two piece idea plus maybe an option to have a bov flange installed with the pipe.

 

[Psyklops]

All Samco needs to do is produce a two piece intercooler-to-throttle body replacement: 1) a pipe that goes from the throttle body down to the first bent and 2) a pipe from the intercooler up to the first bend. In the middle between the two silicone pipes you could put any kind of pipe you want (aluminium, steel) and weld a flange on it for a bov. They wouldn't even have to supply the middle (and longest) section of the pipe - that would be up to the purchaser. I think if the whole pipe were made of silicone it would be too floppy and expensive.

BTW, previously I said the Samco silicone turbo-ic pipe didn't change the turkey. After having driven the car for a few days, I can say that the turkey is reduced (approx. 40%??? just a guess). Mind you I have the stock box on. Remember though, surge has not been eliminated just masked.

Edit: Here is a concept picture of what I'm suggesting (the silicone parts are in red).

 

[Psyklops]

There it is! I finally installed it Since I also installed the HKS SSQV BOV I don't have a square comparison but overall it feels smoother and stronger.
BTW the BOV works flawless, no stall, no turkey, just a nice ptchhhh!
In the first try it stalled, but I tighten it a fair bit (almost to the max) and although it may dip sometimes at 5-600 RPM, other than that, it's business as usual!

So you're venting to atmosphere 100%?

 

[Psyklops]

Here is another concept drawing for Samco. Ok, I think I wasted enough of the boss's time today - back to work!

 

[Ryoga28]

I like your first drawing better than the second one.

 

[Psyklops]

I like your first drawing better than the second one.

The nice thing about the first concept is that there are fewer clamping points required, thus less places for leaks to occur.

 

[FlyinMSP]

So you're venting to atmosphere 100%?

Yes, for the time being. I'm waiting for the recirc fitting for the SSQV BOV that I've ordered from Sam. Meanwhile I'm enjoying the nice PTCHHHH! The only way I can get the car to stall is when I rip though 1st gear for a sec. and push the clutch in + lifting the throttle (at once of course). Nobody drives like that (I was just testing) so it's not an issue. I get absolutly no turkey, but keep in mind that actually I never had much of it anyways.

I tested the SAMCO pipe with the stock BPV at first and throttle response seems better than usual. The car seems also a bit smoother.

The stock BPV fit is almost perfect, check this pic:

 

[Psyklops]

Yes, for the time being. I'm waiting for the recirc fitting for the SSQV BOV that I've ordered from Sam. Meanwhile I'm enjoying the nice PTCHHHH! The only way I can get the car to stall is when I rip though 1st gear for a sec. and push the clutch in + lifting the throttle (at once of course). Nobody drives like that (I was just testing) so it's not an issue. I get absolutly no turkey, but keep in mind that actually I never had much of it anyways.

I tested the SAMCO pipe with the stock BPV at first and throttle response seems better than usual. The car seems also a bit smoother.

The stock BPV fit is almost perfect, check this pic:

Hmmm, maybe I need to push the pipe down further on the intercooler inlet to have the stock bpv hose fit better.

Did you Armor All up your engine bay just for that pic? (lol2)

 

[FlyinMSP]

Did you Armor All up your engine bay just for that pic? (lol2)

LOL! One has to look good!!

But also, the stupid Mazda mechs made a mess when they replaced the Prestone in the rad the day before

 

[Velocifero]

All Samco needs to do is produce a two piece intercooler-to-throttle body replacement: 1) a pipe that goes from the throttle body down to the first bent and 2) a pipe from the intercooler up to the first bend. In the middle between the two silicone pipes you could put any kind of pipe you want (aluminium, steel) and weld a flange on it for a bov. They wouldn't even have to supply the middle (and longest) section of the pipe - that would be up to the purchaser. I think if the whole pipe were made of silicone it would be too floppy and expensive.

BTW, previously I said the Samco silicone turbo-ic pipe didn't change the turkey. After having driven the car for a few days, I can say that the turkey is reduced (approx. 40%??? just a guess). Mind you I have the stock box on. Remember though, surge has not been eliminated just masked.

Edit: Here is a concept picture of what I'm suggesting (the silicone parts are in red).

this concept is very fesible, I dont think the second drawing would work out too well mainly b/c of the distance you should allow for the bov to be back from the tb, I believe 8" is a good standard, also if you had wanted to move the maf to the cold pipe you would need it between the bov and tb and still within a decent distance from the tb. but i do like the first drawing and it is similar to what i mentioned to sam in pm awhile back

 

[JDM Sam]

If you want a pipe like that, samco prob wont make one like that.
I could come up with the parts you need for something like that but it'll basically be a hard pipe with couplers.

 

[Psyklops]

If you want a pipe like that, samco prob wont make one like that.
I could come up with the parts you need for something like that but it'll basically be a hard pipe with couplers.

Well do you think that they would make the whole pipe out of silicone? The reason for having it the way I suggested is that you would only have two clamps in the middle of the pipe. I'm sure someone could just order all the parts off ebay to put together a bunch of silicone couplers and metal tubes, but then there would be a whole bunch of clamping and a whole lot of potential for leaking. If someone could mold the two portions I suggested, that would be ideal because it gives you so many options: welding on bov flange, relocating the MAF, etc. Anyway, the demand probably isn't high enough for Samco to bother...

 

[pluto316]

Ok seriously, this thread rules. I think I know where my extra student loan money is going...

 

[Psyklops]

If you want a pipe like that, samco prob wont make one like that.
I could come up with the parts you need for something like that but it'll basically be a hard pipe with couplers.

Do you think Samco might already have pipes in their inventory for another car like the ones I suggested?

 

[JDM Sam]

Well do you think that they would make the whole pipe out of silicone? The reason for having it the way I suggested is that you would only have two clamps in the middle of the pipe. I'm sure someone could just order all the parts off ebay to put together a bunch of silicone couplers and metal tubes, but then there would be a whole bunch of clamping and a whole lot of potential for leaking. If someone could mold the two portions I suggested, that would be ideal because it gives you so many options: welding on bov flange, relocating the MAF, etc. Anyway, the demand probably isn't high enough for Samco to bother...

nope they probably wont. demand isnt high enough and people want too many options.

 

[SergMSP]

Yes, for the time being. I'm waiting for the recirc fitting for the SSQV BOV that I've ordered from Sam. Meanwhile I'm enjoying the nice PTCHHHH! The only way I can get the car to stall is when I rip though 1st gear for a sec. and push the clutch in + lifting the throttle (at once of course). Nobody drives like that (I was just testing) so it's not an issue. I get absolutly no turkey, but keep in mind that actually I never had much of it anyways.

I tested the SAMCO pipe with the stock BPV at first and throttle response seems better than usual. The car seems also a bit smoother.

The stock BPV fit is almost perfect, check this pic:

Hey Help me out pls, I also have a greddy type venting to atmosphere, how did you install the samco pipe on your setup? Did you plug that little flange where the stock BPV goes?

 

[FlyinMSP]

I don't know about the Greddy, I have the HKS SSQV BOV...

 

[SergMSP]

I don't know about the Greddy, I have the HKS SSQV BOV...

right, but you have HKS on the cold pipe right? What'd you do to cover up the little flange on the Samco?