Should we have concern? *Caliber SRT4 content*

[Oneurt]

you have driven one?

So you know how quickly it gets up and goes... you spun the tires, felt the torque?

You have taken into the twisties and felt how well it handles?

and what is ugly to you may not be to someone else.... just take your girl for example! hahaha just kidding! just had to say it.

but seriously. because you hate it doesn't mean ANYTHING bro. It doesn't mean it's a POS, or ugly. And you can't honestly say it's minivan tall without giving some numbers. and as soon as you do that you are going to force me to get my ass up and get the magazine with the specs on them both. which will prove it's only 1"-2" taller than an MS3.

so, WHY r u hating on it so much? Is it jealousy or fear?

Eddie I've read the exact article comparing both the MS3 and the SRT4, and that again is just an opinion. You don't need to be so critical about it. The exact same thing is happening over at the srt4 boards too, bashing the MS3. As for his comment about the minivan appearance, well quite frankly to him it just looks that way, so why can't you just let it go and leave it as his opinion of the car.

Sure during the lane change test it beat the MS3, but the MS3 has better stopping distance, roadholding, and well not cheap interior plastics. It did get praise for its good stability through corners though. But the in the end the car still felt cheap, and unrefined.

So if you want to bash this opinion its the opinion of a magazine.

As for the Cobalt, doesn't it sit in a different category of car since it is a coupe. It would be compared to the likes of the Civic or something like that..

Either way that Cobalt will have some nice power with factory performance upgrades, but have they improved on the interior quality...?

 

[boostdog]

What's your point anyway?
You don't have one.
DCR is SRT happy and if they want to pour money in something that can't even hook-up right, do so.

apparently you can't read..beacuse my point was stated many times...look at the sentences that end with ?'s(hi)

 

[CX-7owner]

Just because you asked questions doesn't mean you had a point.

 

[boostdog]

Just because you asked questions doesn't mean you had a point.

your ignorant(chair)

 

[CX-7owner]

You're ignorant(chair)

You're ignorant, the Aftermarket hasn't opened up on the MS3 because Vendor's don't see the potential to make big money.

 

[clos561]

dont u guys have someone on here with similar times without nitrous?

+1, laloosh and driver311 ftw...

 

[Sierra117]

Big deal, it ran a 12.5. I have enough of a limit that I could call up Ken and say "Hey, I want my MS3 to be faster", give him my credit card number, and run a faster time. And then these guys will spend more. Then I'll spend more. And the cycle continues. With the right amount of money, any car can be made fast, and thats what happened in this situation. These guys just spent the money first.

 

[clos561]

Big deal, it ran a 12.5. I have enough of a limit that I could call up Ken and say "Hey, I want my MS3 to be faster", give him my credit card number, and run a faster time. And then these guys will spend more. Then I'll spend more. And the cycle continues. With the right amount of money, any car can be made fast, and thats what happened in this situation. These guys just spent the money first.

this is very ture, like i told laloosh too, the also have time and free dyno to run and tune on whenever they want, unlike the typical modder which pays for tuning and is limited, plus they have alot of experience and a TEAM of guys.

 

[Eddie Wetzel]

Eddie I've read the exact article comparing both the MS3 and the SRT4, and that again is just an opinion. You don't need to be so critical about it. The exact same thing is happening over at the srt4 boards too, bashing the MS3. As for his comment about the minivan appearance, well quite frankly to him it just looks that way, so why can't you just let it go and leave it as his opinion of the car.

Sure during the lane change test it beat the MS3, but the MS3 has better stopping distance, roadholding, and well not cheap interior plastics. It did get praise for its good stability through corners though. But the in the end the car still felt cheap, and unrefined.

So if you want to bash this opinion its the opinion of a magazine.

As for the Cobalt, doesn't it sit in a different category of car since it is a coupe. It would be compared to the likes of the Civic or something like that..

Either way that Cobalt will have some nice power with factory performance upgrades, but have they improved on the interior quality...?

I know it. HAHA. I've been on forums forever, I had a showcar and put lots of time and money into it. I have been part of forums for years, and it's fun to see people get all riled up, and to rile them up by saying something. You and I know the bottom line bro.... it's whatever YOU want, not what others think. But it's a good hoot to watch and read people on forums "go off" on people, or rather, words that go against them. I was merely playing Devil's Advocate!


And someone mentioned about DCR dumping money into something they can't hook up right? How did you figure that? Tuners already have over 400 HP and 12.5 traps! How do you think it's not "hooked up" right? From the factory? It's just as fast as the MS3, so where is it not HOOKED UP right? It has lots more aftermarket support than the MS3, so how is it not hooked up right?

Maybe the reason they have such a hard time making it go straight is the fact it has 400HP ON THE FRONT WHEELS! duh. (smash)

again, (laugh), just being the devil's advocate here to start s***! I don't own either car! Haven't driven either, and only sat in the CSRT, and it was uncomfortable for a guy as big as myself (6'2", 225,wide shoulders).

 

[CX-7owner]

Are you retarded, I said it couldn't HOOK UP(launch), the MS3 has no such problem because of the LSD&better DBW, the MS3 can pull 12 second quarter miles without nearly as much money spent, and without the major pulling to one side off the line, if there weren't any professionals behind the wheel the CSRT-4 would have probably smashed into the side wall.

 

[clos561]

csrt4 has optional lsd...(hippy)

 

[Chicoloco]

But the in the end the car still felt cheap, and unrefined.

(braindead

suure.

 

[CX-7owner]

csrt4 has optional lsd...(hippy)

Where?

 

[boostdog]

csrt4 has optional lsd...(hippy)

no it does not..it comes standard with the brake proportion lsd..which is inferior to the lsd that the ms3 has.

 

[boostdog]

Are you retarded, I said it couldn't HOOK UP(launch), the MS3 has no such problem because of the LSD&better DBW, the MS3 can pull 12 second quarter miles without nearly as much money spent, and without the major pulling to one side off the line, if there weren't any professionals behind the wheel the CSRT-4 would have probably smashed into the side wall.

lol...it was tracking not torque steering..I thought/asked the same thing and per dcr it was not torque steer but rather tracking side to side in the groove of the track. give it 6 months and you'll be seeing a completely diff car that'll be running 11's...And i would not be suprised if it were on the stock turbo..it already has the hp/tq ..just need to get past the dbw issue.

 

[clos561]

no it does not..it comes standard with the brake proportion lsd..which is inferior to the lsd that the ms3 has.

my bad, i was thinking 08 cobalt, yea i remembered this thing is brake diff (doh)

 

[Kosh]

why is this a concern? a fast turd is still a turd at the end of the day. will it be easier to get power out of an SRT than a mazdaspeed? yes of course, its a domestic vehicle with traditional fuel injection so you're going to see alot of go fast goodies for these shitboxes right out of the gate.

does it matter? i don't think so. they can't handle worth a lick, they're uglier than dirt, they're minivan tall and made of the same grade materials inside and out as a fisher price toy from the late 80s. from that standpoint, mazdaspeed3s finish so far ahead of them in every respect its nothing to worry about.

if you are stoplight to stoplight or straight up drag racer, then i suppose yes, you have something to worry about. me personally, i think the mazdaspeed so far out classes this angle ridden heap its not even funny.

Hey man, don't put down Fisher Price late 80's gear. That was a great time to be a child!

 

[Betelgeuse]

lol..man for a second i thought i was on a honda forum..lol! straight line ability.. the caliber has more to offer...really it's what ever your into..want to autox buy an ms3..want to drag race buy a csrt. the csrt will go faster...heck dcr only had the car 2 weeks and were running those times...where are the ms3 vendors? why have hardly any of them stepped up to the plate like dcr and a host of other vendors? if the car is so damn good and is so nice why has the aftermarket taken years to do anything with it? really these are ?'s that i have been wanting answers to for a long time with this car.

Dcr and Dodge are in bed together. Their website says it all - they're an SRT performance company. The end.

Mazda does not have that and probably would if it was they thought it might be profitable.

Mazdaspeeds are produced for only 2 years at a time. Not many companies would be willing to make parts for such a limited production car. The ms3's current support is kind of a surprise and speaks volumes about the car itself. Who knows, Mazda might take note and design the future Mazdaspeeds a little more mod friendly or extend their production lifecycle.

Yeah we'll see 11 second Calibers no doubt but I can guarantee we'll see 11 second ms3s as well. The Caliber will get there first, big deal.

 

[dandan2]

i think we should be more concerned on the new cobalt ss than the anything mopar!!!

 

[Betelgeuse]

i think we should be more concerned on the new cobalt ss than the anything mopar!!!

Agreed, that new Cobalt looks promising.