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all rotaries burn oil....it is injected into the rotor housing for combustion...
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rx-8 vs. MS3
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Does Mazda put that on the window sticker(rlaugh)
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- '13 CWP MS3 & '16 Mazda6 GT
lol no idea, but owners are made aware... its how a rotary engine works, they all have OMP(oil metering pumps) which pump oil into the housing...
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The RX-8 was the car that turned me onto mazda. I was a honda-head for the longest time and the engine and style made me look to mazda. Then I test drove both of them and signed papers on the MS3. If it wasn't for the RX-8, I never would have found myself in a mazda dealership
so in that respect, from a business standpoint, I'd say the RX-8 succeeded
No, but it was in the owner's manual for my '87. Rotaries burning oil is not news.
What's the computer industry joke? It's not a bug, it's a feature!
Did you mean 1988 or something? Sorry my friend but the rotary engine has been around for about 36 years with the initial sale of the R100 Familia Rotary Coupe in 1971. So.....NO (no) It wasn't the big thing to get this "motortype" in the market in 1998, it was back in the 70's.
actually.... it WAS a big thing to get this motortype back into the market. The new motor had to meet the new emissions standards that helped to kill the rx-7.
And people still don't really know what a rotary is - I heard of a lot of "4-cyl" rotary motors when I was shopping for a used rx-8
And people still don't really know what a rotary is - I heard of a lot of "4-cyl" rotary motors when I was shopping for a used rx-8
RX-8 vs MS3
I just wanted to put in my two cents as a current MS3 owner, formally an RX8 owner.
The MS3 is much faster than my RX8. The RX8 was a better handling car, more exotic looking, but performance was horrible due to the lack of torque mostly. The mods for the RX8 were very expensive and would only yield minor improvements. Maintenance was also expensive on the RX8 especially adding oil constantly.
I will say this about the MS3 though. Going from the RX8 to MS3, I feel like I'm driving an SUV because you are sit so low in the RX. The car is definitely quicker, but the shifter and suspension are sloppy in comparison to the RX8. Easily resolved through modding of course.
My point is that they are two different classes of cars, but I would not give up my speed to go back to an RX8. Just my opinion having owned both.
I just wanted to put in my two cents as a current MS3 owner, formally an RX8 owner.
The MS3 is much faster than my RX8. The RX8 was a better handling car, more exotic looking, but performance was horrible due to the lack of torque mostly. The mods for the RX8 were very expensive and would only yield minor improvements. Maintenance was also expensive on the RX8 especially adding oil constantly.
I will say this about the MS3 though. Going from the RX8 to MS3, I feel like I'm driving an SUV because you are sit so low in the RX. The car is definitely quicker, but the shifter and suspension are sloppy in comparison to the RX8. Easily resolved through modding of course.
My point is that they are two different classes of cars, but I would not give up my speed to go back to an RX8. Just my opinion having owned both.
Hey now I resent the corvette OR more of a luxury line (shocked) - it wipes the leather off most those "luxury lines" yer referring to ;-)
If you're talking about the RX-8, yes thats correct. But I think he was saying it was the big thing to reintroduce it in 1998. The RX-7 last year was 1995 and the RX-8 was introduced in 2003.
So what was it meant to do? And what did they succeed at? Great handling cars come dime a dozen. One would think with a name like RX-8 it would be a successor and therefore improved. Instead they went backwards.
I owned an RX8 for 2 years. There is no question it's the best looking sexiest Mazda out there. Several problems though that led me to get rid of it. First off, the car was a BLAST to drive. I happen to like high revving, I also like torque, This car is so smooth, and accelerates very nicely. The problem is it's only pushing out about 180whp on average, so it's power has always been overrated.
This car most definitely handles better then a Speed 3, but the power disadvantage will cause it to lose serious ground. It's a sports car, and it's a VERY niche vehicle, so it's not gonna appeal to a mass of enthusiasts like the MS3. Performance always seems to outweight looks with the types of people on these boards, and understandably.
However, it's really a great car. My main problem was, having to take it to the dealership constantly. I did buy it when it first came out, so there were lots of bugs to be worked out, but it drove me mad.
In a straight line, that car lacks, but I tell ya, the handling is outstanding. It's just built so well. You give that car equal power to that of the Speed 3, and it will DESTROY it it at any track. Unfortunately, that's a mute point because the car is what it is.
I still miss that car because it's the best looking machine I may ever own. The stares and drools when I got it, especially since it was hardly seen yet were ASTOUNDING. People just gawked at it. It's a looker, with decent power, great handling, and pure refinement. Takes a unique type of person to commit to a car like that, and I was not that person, but that engine in a MIATA? DREAMLAND. It's so smooth. Yeah it guzzles gas, but it's just so unique, and I hope people can respect the car for what it is, even though it doesn't meet most people's tastes regarding straght line power.
In the end, the car just has failed, because of the power. Forced induction on a rotary is fabulous performance wise, but it's just extremely unreliable, and Mazda had no choice. I'm still glad they brought it back, but there's a reason why they never made an official Mazdaspeed RX8. THe FD RX7 was a reliability nightmare, and there are still people out there that love the RX8 for what it is, so I still give props to Mazda on this remarkable car.
This car most definitely handles better then a Speed 3, but the power disadvantage will cause it to lose serious ground. It's a sports car, and it's a VERY niche vehicle, so it's not gonna appeal to a mass of enthusiasts like the MS3. Performance always seems to outweight looks with the types of people on these boards, and understandably.
However, it's really a great car. My main problem was, having to take it to the dealership constantly. I did buy it when it first came out, so there were lots of bugs to be worked out, but it drove me mad.
In a straight line, that car lacks, but I tell ya, the handling is outstanding. It's just built so well. You give that car equal power to that of the Speed 3, and it will DESTROY it it at any track. Unfortunately, that's a mute point because the car is what it is.
I still miss that car because it's the best looking machine I may ever own. The stares and drools when I got it, especially since it was hardly seen yet were ASTOUNDING. People just gawked at it. It's a looker, with decent power, great handling, and pure refinement. Takes a unique type of person to commit to a car like that, and I was not that person, but that engine in a MIATA? DREAMLAND. It's so smooth. Yeah it guzzles gas, but it's just so unique, and I hope people can respect the car for what it is, even though it doesn't meet most people's tastes regarding straght line power.
In the end, the car just has failed, because of the power. Forced induction on a rotary is fabulous performance wise, but it's just extremely unreliable, and Mazda had no choice. I'm still glad they brought it back, but there's a reason why they never made an official Mazdaspeed RX8. THe FD RX7 was a reliability nightmare, and there are still people out there that love the RX8 for what it is, so I still give props to Mazda on this remarkable car.
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be a totally new, more practical, great handling, good looking car. just because they have the same engine and are sporty does not make one the successor of the other. it'd be like saying the MS3 is the successor to the MS6. they're not. they're similar but distinctly different. if anything it was mazda going back in time and trying to have the rotary power something other than the RX-7
creating that totally new, more practical, great handling, good looking car.
really? we must live in different worlds. there are a lot of decent handling cars, great handling cars are hard to come by
why would one think that? by not calling the car RX-7 they kept the name open to come out with another one. they also didn't soil the name by slapping it on a car that is distinctly different like american car companies like to do.
on the surface, sure, both start with RX, one has a higher number so it should be the successor and better. start thinking about it and doing a little reading about the car and it makes much more sense and it is not the successor but instead its own car and the RX-7 successor doesn't exist yet
Why all the hate? It's just a car and we love what we love about them. Just leave it at that. Bring in a newb to start a war.
On a personal note. My P5 was a fantastic car and I looked at other brands, many mentioned here like STi, G35, 350Z, EVO, etc. Test drove them all and each had great qualities. In terms of the pre-owned market, the RX-8 was a great value for me. I too researched and weighed all my options knowing the history of the vehicle. In the end nothing could match it and because it was what I always wanted I went for it. My heart was also still with Mazda and this community. I simply could not give it up.
Moral of the story. Drive what you want, be happy and just enjoy the ride.
On a personal note. My P5 was a fantastic car and I looked at other brands, many mentioned here like STi, G35, 350Z, EVO, etc. Test drove them all and each had great qualities. In terms of the pre-owned market, the RX-8 was a great value for me. I too researched and weighed all my options knowing the history of the vehicle. In the end nothing could match it and because it was what I always wanted I went for it. My heart was also still with Mazda and this community. I simply could not give it up.
Moral of the story. Drive what you want, be happy and just enjoy the ride.
When you made the statement 'great handling cars are hard to come by' and then proceded to compare the ms3 to the ms6 to prove a point, I decided to throw in the towel. We'll agree to disagree.
My vote for best commenst are for those that came from those who had both or have had both Rx8 and MS3 at one time... I for one agree the RX8 is a better looking car than the MS3 - Both serve a niche market albeit the Rx8 has a more visible niche (most cant tell a MS3 from a regular M3) - I think most of us agree handling is better on the Rx-8 but the power/weight ratio is better on the MS3...
Sidenote: Betelgeuse I think you missed the point jred was trying to make with the MS3 and MS6... all he meant was Rx8 shouldnt be assumed to be the next better Rx7.... aka a BMW 5 series isnt necessarily a next better BMW 3 series.... (Note: Im not getting in the middle of who is right/wrong.. just clarifying the comparison - right or wrong thats all yer fight)
Sidenote: Betelgeuse I think you missed the point jred was trying to make with the MS3 and MS6... all he meant was Rx8 shouldnt be assumed to be the next better Rx7.... aka a BMW 5 series isnt necessarily a next better BMW 3 series.... (Note: Im not getting in the middle of who is right/wrong.. just clarifying the comparison - right or wrong thats all yer fight)
The MS3 stock time is 0-60 in 5.4 and though close,the stock Rx8 is also no match to the MS3 either, around any track.However the Rx8 is still a nice looking car.Also,mostly ,the overlooked stopping power and performance on a MS3 is amazing and rivals the super cars like Porche and Ferrari as clearly seen on the test charts.Stopping quick can save your life.Though the Ms3 may look similar to its sibling 3 series,there are over 100 differences between the 2 cars.
We musn`t forget the Rx8 also came out almost 4 years ago.
We musn`t forget the Rx8 also came out almost 4 years ago.
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I know its completely sacrilegious (yes I checked the spelling) to suggest this, but the RX-8 would be the ultimate sports car with a non-rotary motor! Now, I've owned an RX-7 before (1986), and I can tell you that with the way it eats fuel (like its free or something), and with the complete lack of torque, the engine just doesn't fit into today's premier engine choices.
I mean, just imagine that our 2.3 Turbocharged DISI engine was stuck in a body that was as advanced as the RX-8. What would be the result? One hell of a ride, in my opinion. If one were to take advantage of today's best ball-bearing turbos, and work on the balance of lag vs. overall boost pattern, just what could you do with the car?? 300HP, 300ft/lbs or maybe more?
I do believe that back when the rotary engine was first used that it was a viable option, given the weight and (relative) complexity of standard otto-cycle engines at that time. Mostly iron block, iron heads, complex ignition systems with points, etc. Oil wasn't good at reducing all the friction inside a standard engine. The wankel was the very essense of simplistic and futuristic design. Fuel was cheaper, too, and burning a little oil wasn't an issue with anybody, either.
Today, even though it is a cardinal sin, it would be one of the best things Mazda ever did...place an advanced engine such as the DISI turbo 2.3 into a smart, capable chassis like the RX-8. Granted, you could NOT call it the RX-9 (because the "R" is Rotary.) Still breaking with tradition could result in one of the most capable sports cars out there.
If there is still an argument out there for rotary engines, it has to be for the Quasi-Turbine. Look it up sometime on "How Stuff Works", and tell me what you honestly think.
I mean, just imagine that our 2.3 Turbocharged DISI engine was stuck in a body that was as advanced as the RX-8. What would be the result? One hell of a ride, in my opinion. If one were to take advantage of today's best ball-bearing turbos, and work on the balance of lag vs. overall boost pattern, just what could you do with the car?? 300HP, 300ft/lbs or maybe more?
I do believe that back when the rotary engine was first used that it was a viable option, given the weight and (relative) complexity of standard otto-cycle engines at that time. Mostly iron block, iron heads, complex ignition systems with points, etc. Oil wasn't good at reducing all the friction inside a standard engine. The wankel was the very essense of simplistic and futuristic design. Fuel was cheaper, too, and burning a little oil wasn't an issue with anybody, either.
Today, even though it is a cardinal sin, it would be one of the best things Mazda ever did...place an advanced engine such as the DISI turbo 2.3 into a smart, capable chassis like the RX-8. Granted, you could NOT call it the RX-9 (because the "R" is Rotary.) Still breaking with tradition could result in one of the most capable sports cars out there.
If there is still an argument out there for rotary engines, it has to be for the Quasi-Turbine. Look it up sometime on "How Stuff Works", and tell me what you honestly think.
