rx-8 vs. MS3

ohh well here is a cut and paste from Car And Driver..
The RX-8 is great at speed, but getting up to speed is a challenge. With only 159 pound-feet, the RX-8 has less than half the torque of the Shelby GT. The six-speed gearbox and short gearing don’t alleviate the problem, either. On steep grades, downshifts are required from sixth gear to hold a constant speed, and two-lane passing requires a downshift to third and a planted right foot. The lack of oomph was more than a source of constant frustration — running the RX-8 near its 9000-rpm redline burns a lot of fuel as well, resulting in a cruising range of less than 250 miles.Get off the highway, and the annoyance caused by the wheezy engine subsides as cornering speeds increase. The suspension takes hits from the road like a champion prizefighter, so much so that during our driving loop the RX-8 was actually the fastest car on real-world roads.On the track, the Mazda couldn’t make up for its woeful lack of torque and posted the slowest time around the circuit. But just as on the street, the RX-8 inspires confidence in the driver to carry more speed through the corners, and the challenge of maintaining velocity in this car is ultimately more rewarding than relying on the gas pedal in the others to make up for your mistakes. That’s not to say some extra power isn’t sorely needed here — it is — but even at the ripe old age of five, the RX-8 pleases us the most.
 
The Mazdaspeed 3 is not as precise an instrument as the Mini, but with way more power—263 horsepower versus 172—it lapped nearly seven seconds quicker. In the process of turning laps at VIR, the Mazdaspeed bounds up and down to a fair degree and is also harder to position accurately, due to its less direct steering and less rapid rotation when you lift the throttle. The Mazdaspeed’s brakes also get softer with increasing laps, but they repeatedly stop the car effectively. Although not a surgical instrument on the track, the Mazdaspeed 3 was always easy to control.
 
But comparing the 2 as in "which would you get" is a hard comparison, they are completely different cars in different categories. 1 is a 4 door sedan and the other is a RWD sports car powered by a rotary...


...and yet, these two cars are both right up at the top of my list for my next car because they are both Mazdas, they both have great handling, manual transmissions, good looks, power, 4-wheel disk brakes, some space for cargo and back seats for my munchkin. They are far more comparable to each other than they are to Miatas or 5s.
 
Faster in a straight-line race: MS3
Faster around a track: RX-8


http://www.motortrend.com/features/112_0706_americas_best_handling_car/laguna_seca.html


Car and Driver's 'Lightning Lap' performance benchmark
Mazda MX-5: 3:29.3
Honda Civic Si: 3:26.5
Volkswagen GTI: 3:25.1
Mini Cooper S: 3:22.9
Ford Mustang GT: 3:20.9
Chevy Cobalt SS Supercharged: 3:20.6
Mazda RX-8: 3:19.0
Mazdaspeed 3: 3:16.0
Pontiac Solstice GXP: 3:15.7
Mitsubishi EVO MR: 3:13.5
Nissan 350Z: 3:12.5

MS3 FTW ALL THE WAY !!! Faster in a straight line and around the track.

The RX-8 is a disgrace to the mazda community in my opinion
 
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I get my information the hell from people who own the car and who have shared their experiences on other boards. Would you mind telling me how the hell your little M/T article relates in any way to what I wrote about day to day life with either car?
 
You're loco if you think the rx-8 is a disgrace.. Clearly not the fastest but, best looking mazda imo.
 
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I get my information the hell from people who own the car and who have shared their experiences on other boards. Would you mind telling me how the hell your little M/T article relates in any way to what I wrote about day to day life with either car?

My bad, didn't read your entire post. so i do apologize for that.

i was mainly going off of straight line/track times, etc...

And yes, the RX8 is a disgrace. Way underpowered, and it dropped the legacy that the rx7 used to hold.

Mazda had the chance to bring it to the table, but they didn't.

EDIT: fixed previous post to reflect what i was countering.
 
And yes, the RX8 is a disgrace. Way underpowered, and it dropped the legacy that the rx7 used to hold.

Mazda had the chance to bring it to the table, but they didn't.

+1

I have to agree with this although I wouldn't quite call it a disgrace. It just didn't carry the rx7 legacy and Mazda did drop the ball. They haven't given up on it though so hopefully they'll rectify the situation in a future model.
 
I'm very happy with my MS3 and I wouldn't trade it for an RX8. One of the reasons I chose the MS3 is because it looks cool and sporty without looking too flashy or aggressive. A flashy car doesn't fit my personality. When people ask me what I drive I say a "Mazda 3" or a "little Mazda wagon". Most don't even know what a "Mazdaspeed3" is let alone what it is capable of. Only a few people out there know the "little Mazda wagon" can hang with cars costing many thousands of dollars more. I like the fact that I can blend in with the Sentras and Corollas but I can hang with the 350Zs and Mustangs.
 
The RX-8 is very nice, the engine is great although it does not feel very torquey, it picks up speed nicely, my mom just got one and it is a nice 4 door coupe, still no comparison to a FWD with a turbo.
 
I'm very happy with my MS3 and I wouldn't trade it for an RX8. One of the reasons I chose the MS3 is because it looks cool and sporty without looking too flashy or aggressive. A flashy car doesn't fit my personality. When people ask me what I drive I say a "Mazda 3" or a "little Mazda wagon". Most don't even know what a "Mazdaspeed3" is let alone what it is capable of. Only a few people out there know the "little Mazda wagon" can hang with cars costing many thousands of dollars more. I like the fact that I can blend in with the Sentras and Corollas but I can hang with the 350Zs and Mustangs.

edit - "beat 350z's and mustangs" (boom01) lol
 
Remember, the RX-7 was 40k new in 1993, that might be the first reason the RX-8 didnt hold the legacy. Mazda was trying to make one of its trademarks more well known in an affordable, econimcal rotary. But as most know that is relativly impossible. If at all this is where Mazda dropped the ball. However they did succeed in bringing Mazda back into the limelight with this car. Furthermore for those who have read about it and not driven this car take this car out downshit into second and hit a right hand turn at 40 and watch the car point. Only car I have personally driven with that kind of handling capability.
 
Isnt the RX-8 base price like $34K. For that price I would mutch rather go for a STI. Also didnt the ratary engine have some issues with burning oil or something. I drove my friends 8 and at first it was wierd seeing how it redlined at 9K. I didnt get to take it through any curves, but it didnt seem that quick. MS3 all the way(bow). I would like to see these two cars on a track though
 
Agreed, but it had a hard time targeting the people in that category, most people who were buying a 33k+ car odds are after mark up and tax 40k, were not looking for a high maintantce unproven motor in most peoples eyes. They would stay with the corvette or more of a luxury line. Honestly in 1998 if you said rotary, most said what. And the ones that did know either knew everything about how it works or nothing. The big thing was to get this motortype out into the market, and I would hope as discussed Mazda follows with a high end overly powerful rotary. Now that there is a larger knowledge of the car.
 

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