round 6: Turbo MP3 Vs..

[LinuxRacr]

thats all. i will never sell my bmw to get a mustang unless it is for a saleen. hmm come to think of it i might for a camaro ss as well.


saided18:
pick a fight? no. i just dont beleive what he says. just because he posts this "story" im supposed to beleive it? nah. its also important to look at who actually says the "go" in a race. if i say "go" i have the advantage as my reaction time will be faster rather than the reaction time of the car beside me since he can only guess when i will say go. if you dont like what i say dont reply to it. simple as that.
what your friends OMNI does is another story. we are talking about a turbo mp3. thanks and have a nice day.

If the GT is supposed to be able to whoop a Turbo MP3, that little small reaction should not matter huh? From a stop, I think I may get my ass dropped shipped to me...via FedEx, but from a ROLL, I get them, even when they hit it 1st.

 

[Tonpow]

Yep! I have done the same. V8 stangs' owners are so surprised to see me pull them! They pull the :wtf: flag.

SWEET! You need to get some video

 

[manuel]

hmm this thread dropped down a bit in my absence. just one last question: is a REAL race done from a dead stop, or from a "roll"? someone let me know. please.

 

[LinuxRacr]

Somebody did not read.

 

[fastdrvr23]

...but I know for a fact that you should be running faster than 14.0 if you are going to be beating stock V8 stangs. I used to own a 2000 GT and I could run high 13's all day long with only mild mods. Low 13s with gears.

All I ever seem to see at the track is Mustang GT's and camaro's lately. I would have to disagree on the stock Mustang's being that fast stock. A guy in a 2002 GT Auto. ran a 15.2 at ~92MPH IIRC last weekend, with Flowmaster cat backs, and some sort of performance air filter. They seem to be the cockiest guys there, well, them and Camaro guys. Hell, I like both cars, but I think it takes one hell of a driver, and some pretty decent mods to make them THAT fast.

I raced a guy in 2001 GT 5-speed about three months ago when I still had the T-Type.. He had diff. MAF, 75 dry shot. 3.55 rear gears, off road H-pipe, Headers, Dynomax exhaust, CAI, Mickey sportman's and some other s*** I can't remember... He ran a 13.1. It was pretty fast, but nothing like I figured it would be with all the mods. I was only running 18PSI on 93 octane that night, so I only ran a 12.6.

I think a turbo MP3 would stand a pretty good chance on the HWY against most cars... I would imagine it would do well against a GT auto, but have to try pretty hard against a 5-speed. These turbo Mp3 guys need to go to the track!! I'm telling you, it's addictive as hell!!!!

You may now return to you're regularly scheduled bickering.

 

[LinuxRacr]

You sold the T-type? But why.... :'(

 

[fastdrvr23]

You sold the T-type? But why...(cry)

Yeah, It was pretty damn upsetting... I met a guy at the track that was interested in it. I ran somewhere in the high 10's that night, and he said he really wanted a car like that... Well, I blurted out that for $14,000 it could be his (I paid $8500), two days later he came to my house with a dually, trailer, and $13,500 CASH... damned rich bastard. lol

Needless to say, I let it go. Damn though, it was the ultimate sleeper.

I would post here about the 2003 Cobra that I raced with it, but I'll probably cry. lol.

Here's a few old pics of it, just for the hell of it:
Pic of T
T Engine

 

[Tonpow]

Cool.

There is a guy in my town with a mint condition Grand National. I pulled along side him and egged him on to race just so I could hear the turbo spool up.

Addict.

 

[OurP5]

I am not going to say it didn't happen

and I'm not going to say it did.

The stock US version of the MP3 comes with 140hp (measured at the crank given at least a 14% loss through the drivetrain equates to a little less than 120hp at the wheels)

The stock Mustang GT comes with I think like 265hp (at the crank, once again figure a 14% loss and we come to 228 at the wheels)

I know for a fact a '00 Mustang w/ Steeda MAF, Headers, K&N, H-pipe, no "cats", and exhaust will run 13.2 1/4 miles until they close the track.

Stock Mp3 runs the quarter in 16.5-16.8 repectively.
- Motor Trend (June 2002, Vol 54, No.6)

A turbo, that is giving about another 60hp at the crank is going to have to be REALLY efficient to drop 3.5 seconds on your ET to keep up w/ the "modded" Mustang.

If you beat 'em. Sweet (thumb)

I wasn't there, I haven't seen it.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

Keep stomping American V8's and maybe the aftermarket will start looking at our cars a little more closely, so the price will drop and the availability of the parts will increase!


P.s:
According to the Florida State Statute 316.191 Racing on highways is defined as:

"Drag race" is defined as the operation of two or more vehicles from a point side by side at accelerating speeds in a competitive attempt to outdistance each other, or the operation of one or more vehicles over a common selected course, from the same point to the same point, for the purpose of comparing the relative speeds or power of acceleration of such vehicle or vehicles within a certain distance or time limit.

 

[LinuxRacr]

Yeah, It was pretty damn upsetting... I met a guy at the track that was interested in it. I ran somewhere in the high 10's that night, and he said he really wanted a car like that... Well, I blurted out that for $14,000 it could be his (I paid $8500), two days later he came to my house with a dually, trailer, and $13,500 CASH... damned rich bastard. lol

Needless to say, I let it go. Damn though, it was the ultimate sleeper.

I would post here about the 2003 Cobra that I raced with it, but I'll probably cry. lol.

Here's a few old pics of it, just for the hell of it:
Pic of T
T Engine

I thought I already read a post of yours somewhere about the run-in you had with the 03 Cobra? There was a guy and a chick in the Cobra, right?

 

[smp3000]

I think somebody has a serious stick up their a$$. I love how he thinks I have enough free time and lack of confidence to feel the need to make up fake stories about car races. :bs:

Whats even funnier, is the fact that the dude bought an MP3 and seems nothing but ashamed of it. He comes on here and just posts negative remarks.

Someone really needs to lighten up.... Or at least stop posting shat on my threads. I don't apprecite it, and no one else does.

 

[fastdrvr23]

I thought I already read a post of yours somewhere about the run-in you had with the 03 Cobra? There was a guy and a chick in the Cobra, right?

Oh yeah, I guess I did post it on here... Yep, it was the girl's car... She was a damn good driver too! She was cool about the T-Type beating her though, the guy in there was dumbfounded. That cobra sounded better than any car I have heard on the street... ever... *shiver*

Edit: I found it... here

 

[70]

Re: I am not going to say it didn't happen

...(snip)
The stock US version of the MP3 comes with 140hp (measured at the crank given at least a 14% loss through the drivetrain equates to a little less than 120hp at the wheels)

The stock Mustang GT comes with I think like 265hp (at the crank, once again figure a 14% loss and we come to 228 at the wheels)
(snip)...

Only two things about your post that caught my attention. You can't use the same amount of drivetrain loss for front wheel drive and rear wheel drive. A rear wheel drive car is going to lose more than a front because of the amount of crap that has to get moving (tranny, drive shaft, pumpkin, more drive shafts, etc. vs tranny, driveshafts and wheels).

And, unfortunately, your 14% loss for the MP3 is a long shot at best. The car has averaged 20% drivetrain loss (which puts it at 110 at the wheels)...Well, all 3rd gen Protege's have for that matter.

And torque is what is going to win a drag, not the hp...But good post besides OurP5.

 

[spoolinmp3]

I believe it. I have smoked new GT's from a stand still, smoked an SS Camaro nasty on the high way, s4 twin turbos WRX's, GTI's, stock 3rd gen rx-7's and stock supras with just a cat back.

I have raced heavilly modded WRX's off the line and got my ass handed to me. I also raced SS Camaros and the new Cobra with some minor mods off the line and got whipped.
I also raced a ZO6 on the highway and well.......lets not talk about that one

But my ultimate kill was a race against a 911 porche like a 97 or something. We were doing 30 mph he got next to me and I took him by about 1/2 a car length by the end of 4th gear. You should of seen the look on his face
That however was at 10 psi

All in all a turbo mp3 on the highway is extremely fast. Anything over 130 though and you start running out of steam....but hell who goes that fast anyways?

 

[smp3000]

<<<-------- hehe I do.

But anyways, thanks Spoolin for the backup. It is very possible to beat a GT.

 

[manuel]

btw, i dont have an mp3, nor do i have a stick up my ass because i do not beleive you. my twin brother owns the mp3. i have a 1996 BMW 328is. geez, i need to log on more so i can argue. btw how many psi are you running?6?...

 

[OurP5]

Re: Re: I am not going to say it didn't happen

Only two things about your post that caught my attention. You can't use the same amount of drivetrain loss for front wheel drive and rear wheel drive. A rear wheel drive car is going to lose more than a front because of the amount of crap that has to get moving (tranny, drive shaft, pumpkin, more drive shafts, etc. vs tranny, driveshafts and wheels).
And, unfortunately, your 14% loss for the MP3 is a long shot at best. The car has averaged 20% drivetrain loss (which puts it at 110 at the wheels)...Well, all 3rd gen Protege's have for that matter.
And torque is what is going to win a drag, not the hp...But good post besides OurP5.

Thanks Stutters.

I just used the 14% to be conservative and used it for both the FWD and RWD for comparison sake.

I would LOVE to see a vid of Linux or smp3000, or any other NA or FI Pro beat up on a GT.

 

[70]

Re: Re: Re: I am not going to say it didn't happen

Thanks Stutters.

I just used the 14% to be conservative and used it for both the FWD and RWD for comparison sake.

I would LOVE to see a vid of Linux or smp3000, or any other NA or FI Pro beat up on a GT.

No worries, I'm just trying to work out the advantages and disadvantages...

One thing that I have done, is I used one of those 1/4 mile estimators based on wheel horsepower. I know what said above, but unfortunately the 1/4 mile estimators only use wheel horsepower and weight to determine the ET.

So, I took what the FM Protege 5 puts to the ground, and worked it out. Then took an estimation of what a 96 GT convertible (co-worker owns one) with the weight. The ET's were pretty close, like ~.2-.3. The weight is what kills the GT convertible.

And I barely beat an early-90's GT 5.0 off the line the morning. Now, that car has about 2000 lbs of body garbage all over the underside of the car, but, hey...It's a start.

 

[Daemos]

So you do what in the 1/4 mile?

 

[70]

So you do what in the 1/4 mile?

I haven't dragged my car official like so I have no idea.