Reliability?

[2003speeds]

Hey everyone, I am just curious to see how many people have blown their motor and under what circumstances did it happen? ( boost spike, other reasons, etc.) I just want a clear understanding of how people are blowing their motors and what is mostly causing it. Any information would be helpful. It would be nice to compile some reliable data on why it is happening. I have a 2003 Spicy MSP with 60,000 miles on it w/ no mods yet and I have not had a single problem......knock on wood.

 

[ItsSlow]

Its a Mazda, its gonna blow

 

[GhostMercury]

its slow, go do some searching...

But anyway, the problem is people go turning up the boost with the proper mods. some select few are running almost 300whp on the stock motor and are just fine. You can keep your motor from getting ****** up by keeping up on all of the maintence. also dont boost in 5th gear, dont boost up a hill, and in the last 2 or 3 gears dont boost before 3grand, you also want to try not to be in to high of a gear with the car bogged down and boost it. i know it sounds like alot to not do, but i do it without even thinking about it because it is common sence. research 505zoom, he has 277whp i think it is and he is doing just fine, custommsp is high up there also. the stock motor will suit most people just fine....if you do the rite things instead of skimping out on some s***. look at the quote in my sig. it explains it all

 

[ItsSlow]

Im sorry but that is my opinion and if you dont like it, dont read it.. Mazda's are pieces of s***.. I mean look at the rx7.. The turbo ones have to be rebuilt or replaced after or before 90k.. The protege is just garbage, hell non turbo cars with high compression can handle more power then STOCK turbo cars that Mazda produces.. Their customer service is bad 90% of the time.. They hate to think that an enthusiast who knows and researches about the car(s) knows more than them about it (even though the local Mazda dealership couldnt even tell me how many ft-lbs of tq to tighten down the nuts on the input/output shafts in the trans).. Mazda's are known for their unreliability and their good handling.. I would gaurantee that in 10 yrs or less the ms6 and ms3 will probably be the most unreliable cars (Ive never heard of any other company except Mazda having the damn engine fall out the bottom of the car)..

 

[GhostMercury]

well then go sell your msp. im trying to help him not bash every car on this site. if you dont like mazdas anything then go to a srt4 forum and talk s*** there cause thats all most of them do. if you would like to help people and own a mazda then stfu

 

[orng1]

LOL you guys kill me... I have heard all the horror stories about blowing motors at stock boost and such but I love my car and I tune the s*** out of it. I recently dyno'ed the car and put down 249whp with the stock block. I do have ALL the bolt ons so I feel comfortable in the car. I know one day it will just go from wear and tear but I have been trying my best not to let that happen.

 

[GhostMercury]

249???what did you turn the boost up to. i would say i have every bolt on but i wasnt planning on dynoing anything above 220

 

[orng1]

I think they turned it to 12psi I was so nervous I almost made myself sick and had to walk away. A buddy of mine was messing with it. I thought it had been at like 9psi but recently they told me it was higher than 10.

 

[GhostMercury]

yea im running 8 and its pretty quick. but i have no boost controller so its all in the wastgate which means no spike lol. so i dont plan on turning it up. i just want to get it fine tuned, so there is less jerk going into boost and just one steady flow, if you knwo what i mean. i would also like to tune for the most power which means leaning it out a lil bit cause its pretty rich rite now.

 

[orng1]

I have a very Big turbo with an external wastegate with a 5psi spring and a MBC that can go from 7psi to so far I have seen 17psi with little to no spike. But I contribute that to the large turbo.

 

[neox.286]

Im sorry but that is my opinion and if you dont like it, dont read it.. Mazda's are pieces of s***.. I mean look at the rx7.. The turbo ones have to be rebuilt or replaced after or before 90k.. The protege is just garbage, hell non turbo cars with high compression can handle more power then STOCK turbo cars that Mazda produces.. Their customer service is bad 90% of the time.. They hate to think that an enthusiast who knows and researches about the car(s) knows more than them about it (even though the local Mazda dealership couldnt even tell me how many ft-lbs of tq to tighten down the nuts on the input/output shafts in the trans).. Mazda's are known for their unreliability and their good handling.. I would gaurantee that in 10 yrs or less the ms6 and ms3 will probably be the most unreliable cars (Ive never heard of any other company except Mazda having the damn engine fall out the bottom of the car)..

if you hate mazdas so f-ing much then why are you on a mazda forum!?

you wanna b**** about mazdas, go somewhere else

 

[GhostMercury]

thats what i said but he's ******* retarted

 

[neox.286]

thats what i said but he's ******* retarted

(iagree)

dude seriously...if you dont like mazdas, dont waste your time preaching to those who do...cause 1. its pointless...2. its a waste of your time...and 3. you look like an idiot

your like the kid that jumps into everyones conversations just to say how much you hate what they are talking about

 

[richmond058]

I have owned multiple Mazdas in my lifetime. Not a single one has blown. If you are going to make blanket statements like this you need to back up what you say with some true personal experiences.

 

[kobaq7]

I love my mazda, i use to be a honda prelude guy, i wouldnt ever even look at another car, but then i blew my motor over lil racing, and wasnt even doggin it just round a lil local curvey road, couldnt find another prelude i liked and bought an es, started moddin and fell in love now ive got my MSP and i freagin love it. And ya, that dude definetly needs a life or a gf or somethin. lol ... freakin loser

 

[BOOSTR]

#1 reason is dumb *****, people that abuse the car and then b**** about it being unreliable IMO. Its as reliable as you make it. Drive it like you're John Force all of the time and it is going to break. Turn up the boost willy nilly and subject it to unreasonable load, again its going to break.

I have two Mazda built turbo cars. My Probe GT has 217,000 miles and still runs the original turbo. My MSP has 64,500 miles on it and has only had problems with the radio, bushings, a reflash, and a torn side mount. Both cars have been sensibly modified and are driven enthusiastically. That's real unreliable huh? I'll take it if thats the case.

Unfortunatley the I've blown my motor or killed my LSD threads get too much play on here. Its not unlike the pablum which is puked daily by the media. Its not nearly as bad as they would have you believe.

More MSP's are on the road running without issue than dead ones. That is an undisputable fact. So reliability is a relative term depending on who you ask.

 

[2003speeds]

#1 reason is dumb *****, people that abuse the car and then b**** about it being unreliable IMO. Its as reliable as you make it. Drive it like you're John Force all of the time and it is going to break. Turn up the boost willy nilly and subject it to unreasonable load, again its going to break.

I have two Mazda built turbo cars. My Probe GT has 217,000 miles and still runs the original turbo. My MSP has 64,500 miles on it and has only had problems with the radio, bushings, a reflash, and a torn side mount. Both cars have been sensibly modified and are driven enthusiastically. That's real unreliable huh? I'll take it if thats the case.

Unfortunatley the I've blown my motor or killed my LSD threads get too much play on here. Its not unlike the pablum which is puked daily by the media. Its not nearly as bad as they would have you believe.

More MSP's are on the road running without issue than dead ones. That is an undisputable fact. So reliability is a relative term depending on who you ask.

Thats what I was thinking too. You hear all of these people who blow their motors and thats all you hear. You never hear any of the good things that people say because there is nothing to b**** about if it runs fine. I would like to hear more good stories of the mods people have and the amount of whp they run on their MSP's. From what I hear already, it is just people that do not know how to drive correctly that blow their motor. (i.e. bogging the motor at 5th gear at 6.5 psi at 1500 rpm, etc...) Also, if I hear one more person say the MSP is slow and only runs 6.5 psi stock boost and blah blah blah, I am going to s***..

 

[ItsSlow]

Ok, just look at it this way and you MIGHT understand where Im coming from.. I doubt you would though.

You buy a $300 car from a junkyard, it doesnt run nor drive.. You get it running and driving in no time.. You buy a $14k car from a dealership, it blows up in 2 weeks.. You get it back 2 months later.. 2 months after that your transmission ***** up.. Its down for a month while you fix it.. I guess I must have gotten a BIG FAT yellow lemon since Ive had more problems out of a 3 yr old car then I had with a 16 yr old car with over 3 times as many miles that I abused a hell of a lot more..

Sorry if what I typed before offended any of you, I was pissed because I just fixed my car 2 nights ago and the cel comes on no less than 5 hrs later and I had gotten 3 bulls*** tickets in one day.. And yes, you can boost in 5th gear.. When I drove my car, I did it quite a bit, but it really doesnt go anywhere because its so damn slow..

 

[dirtysouth_msp]

Ok, just look at it this way and you MIGHT understand where Im coming from.. I doubt you would though.

You buy a $300 car from a junkyard, it doesnt run nor drive.. You get it running and driving in no time.. You buy a $14k car from a dealership, it blows up in 2 weeks.. You get it back 2 months later.. 2 months after that your transmission ***** up.. Its down for a month while you fix it.. I guess I must have gotten a BIG FAT yellow lemon since Ive had more problems out of a 3 yr old car then I had with a 16 yr old car with over 3 times as many miles that I abused a hell of a lot more..

Sorry if what I typed before offended any of you, I was pissed because I just fixed my car 2 nights ago and the cel comes on no less than 5 hrs later and I had gotten 3 bulls*** tickets in one day.. And yes, you can boost in 5th gear.. When I drove my car, I did it quite a bit, but it really doesnt go anywhere because its so damn slow..

Dude you should just sell your car and buy a $300 car from the junkyard. What kind of repair takes 2 months or even a month? 3 bulls*** tickets and boosting in 5th gear? Yeah, sounds like you know how to drive...

I've had my problems with my car, but just about everything that has happened has been due to the fact that I am modding the car for power. That's it. The ******* motor was designed for about 130 hp at the crank. Mazda pushed it to about 170 with a turbo kit. People say that the motor is weak because it's limit is usually around 250hp. Do the ******* math, dude. That is almost double what the motor is designed to handle. Yeah some have blown while stock, but that does not mean that there was not some other problem that caused them to blow. By the way my diff just gave out after 50,000 miles, but I'm not suprised because I have a built motor and just about every bolt on under the sun. You don't hear me bitching and saying mazdas are all s***.

Are you the original owner? Probably not since you just joined the forum in 06. Your car was probably abused by the original owner (whether it is you or someone else). Take your bulls*** negative blanket statements and join import atlanta or some other squid forum where you will fit in or decide to be a forum member that actually tries to contribute something worthwhile and people will stop flaming you. We are all here to help each other and all you seem to do is piss everyone off.

 

[yashooa]

#1 reason is dumb *****, people that abuse the car and then b**** about it being unreliable IMO. Its as reliable as you make it. Drive it like you're John Force all of the time and it is going to break. Turn up the boost willy nilly and subject it to unreasonable load, again its going to break.

I have two Mazda built turbo cars. My Probe GT has 217,000 miles and still runs the original turbo. My MSP has 64,500 miles on it and has only had problems with the radio, bushings, a reflash, and a torn side mount. Both cars have been sensibly modified and are driven enthusiastically. That's real unreliable huh? I'll take it if thats the case.

Unfortunatley the I've blown my motor or killed my LSD threads get too much play on here. Its not unlike the pablum which is puked daily by the media. Its not nearly as bad as they would have you believe.

More MSP's are on the road running without issue than dead ones. That is an undisputable fact. So reliability is a relative term depending on who you ask.

Word beotch! Allthough the LSD was a flaw worthy of a freaking recall IMO.
It is very poorly designed not in function (it works great) but in assembly.
However, I have fixed mine and the car as a whole has been a ******* BLAST!
I am convinced that I will fix my completely reliable car that I broke. Heck, this car went above and way way beyond for me and I drive it around every day a few miles even with the bad ring.
Once Linux comes over and we dump the oil out of the intercooler I have a strong suspicion that I can continue to drive it gently until I rebuild another engine (forged of course) and drop the new motor in.
If not no biggy. I will pull Toby out and rebuild him.
They made over 4000 MSP's only a handful post on here and only a handful have blown. I have a feeling far more LSD's have gone and will go and we just have not seen them posted here.
Again, I still love this car.