Reflash on the way !!

things will be a much different thought in a short time

we shall see. i have severe reservations still. in addition the very way they do this is really quite sloppy. i mean, in order to go in for a dealer visit, you would have to ship your ECU back to the dude in FL to get a reflash back to stock...go to the dealer...RESHIP back to FL for a reflash back to the "performance flash". in the end, a simple dealer warranty job just cost you how many days of downtime? (bang)
 
we shall see. i have severe reservations still. in addition the very way they do this is really quite sloppy. i mean, in order to go in for a dealer visit, you would have to ship your ECU back to the dude in FL to get a reflash back to stock...go to the dealer...RESHIP back to FL for a reflash back to the "performance flash". in the end, a simple dealer warranty job just cost you how many days of downtime? (bang)

thats incorrect did you read all the info???
 
this flash is most likely less detectable than a Cobb flash. Why? This is a genuine mazda firmware thats modified.

The flash comes from Piasini Engineering in Italy. The guys is Australia have been using this flash for awhile with nothing but rave reviews. Piasini flashes Bentley's and all type of high end cars.

If you dont think the COBB AP is going to void your warranty, think again. The second you reupload your stock ecu flash back in the unit to take it to the dealer, its going to show the flash date.
 
straight from PR's post elsewhere:

"Regarding the reflash, we do have the ability to flash ECUs back to factory settings for dealer visits, and can go back to Stage 1 at no cost. I have finally set a price in my mine on the first 20, and it is MUCH cheaper than any available tuning solution for the Mazdaspeed 3, as far as I know."

your quote says: "this flash is most likely less detectable than a Cobb flash. Why? This is a genuine mazda firmware thats modified".

since it's modified, then its checksum is going to be different, unless he's saying that they hacked in the "right" checksum value? if so, why the heck is he being all reassuring about retaining the ability to reflash back to stock for dealer runs?

like i said, i'm still very doubtful. the whole process seems like a terrible nightmare. don't forget the fine print: if you want to go from stage 1 to stage 2, they charge for this upgrade. also, there's a lot of beating around the bush, but "working with piasini engineering" means "reselling piasini reflashes", because all they are providing you is the reflash process. i think office space sums it up perfectly:

"What would you say ya do here?...Well look, I already told you! I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to! I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people! Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"
 
you guys s*** on this WAYYYYYYYY harder then anything i have ever said !!!!!!!!!

take it from my (and probably most people here) POV:

some dude in FL wants me to ship my ECU to him in FL so that he can reflash it with someone else's work. no, not one of my replaceable bolt-ons, but my freakin ECU! this is FUBAR because:

1. he is NOT the guy who actually did the ECU mod.
2. ship my ECU? seriously...WTF?
3. "some dude"...

yo, i wasn't born yesterday, and i have to say that my mental sensors are going nuts right now. this isn't a simple: hrrm...the intake might lean my AFR out a bit more than i expected...this is: oh wait...my car will not even turn on without this part (which i have to somehow take to the UPS shipping center?), and if i don't get it back in a working condition, LAWL! (rofl2)
 
To bad driver311 didn’t post a thread........ yall would be fainting!!!!


Its cool man "doubtful" "sketchy" "lie" whatever that’s why you’re smart enough not to get involved... Its now not even worth coming back here and talking about the experience! I am done talking about it here at 247 and m3f (it’s what everyone wanted)....... I was respectful of the owners and didn’t try to spam up the threads with other message board links. If anyone wants to further hear about the situation they know where to find it .......
 
yo, i wasn't born yesterday, and i have to say that my mental sensors are going nuts right now. this isn't a simple: hrrm...the intake might lean my AFR out a bit more than i expected...this is: oh wait...my car will not even turn on without this part (which i have to somehow take to the UPS shipping center?), and if i don't get it back in a working condition, LAWL! (rofl2)

On one hand, shipping your ECU isn't exactly a huge thing, especially if your car isn't your DD. I did it with my BMW back in college, so at first it wasn't that big of a deal. I don't need to drive anywhere, so loosing my car for a few days durring Summer=no problemo. If I needed to get anywhere, I could just take the 'Rents ride.

But then a nasty little thing happened called Katrina. And the place I was shipping my ECU to was in Florida. The "three to four day" flash and shipping period turned into a few weeks, then a month. I was starting to really freak the **** out, as expected. You think the ECU for a Speed3 might be pricey? Try a BMW, lol. However, I was lucky in the end, and got my ECU back with some rebate money for my troubles. Thank god for that.

It was a good deal, and I ended up getting my ECU flashed and it worked fine, but its just a ton of risk that I cannot take again. I'm not saying this PR guy is going to steal our ECUs and black market them or something, but shipping in general a part for you car like that has way to many risks involved to be "hey, screw Cobb, this guy in Florida will do it for you!"
 
To bad driver311 didn’t post a thread........ yall would be fainting!!!!


Its cool man "doubtful" "sketchy" "lie" whatever that’s why you’re smart enough not to get involved... Its now not even worth coming back here and talking about the experience! I am done talking about it here at 247 and m3f (it’s what everyone wanted)....... I was respectful of the owners and didn’t try to spam up the threads with other message board links. If anyone wants to further hear about the situation they know where to find it .......

i don't know about others, but despite the fact that i respect driver311 and am really impressed with the performance he has managed to get from his ms3, i would still have the same reservations about it. the dude wants my ECU. he doesn't want to put in a piggyback, or sell me a reflash tool, he wants me to ship my whole freakin ECU to him!

i tried to address my comments to Performance Racing and not you, but you've obviously become very discouraged by my comments. i did not intend to bash you, but i wish you the best of luck on your experiences with this company and its product.
 
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On one hand, shipping your ECU isn't exactly a huge thing, especially if your car isn't your DD. I did it with my BMW back in college, so at first it wasn't that big of a deal. I don't need to drive anywhere, so loosing my car for a few days durring Summer=no problemo. If I needed to get anywhere, I could just take the 'Rents ride.

But then a nasty little thing happened called Katrina. And the place I was shipping my ECU to was in Florida. The "three to four day" flash and shipping period turned into a few weeks, then a month. I was starting to really freak the **** out, as expected. You think the ECU for a Speed3 might be pricey? Try a BMW, lol. However, I was lucky in the end, and got my ECU back with some rebate money for my troubles. Thank god for that.

It was a good deal, and I ended up getting my ECU flashed and it worked fine, but its just a ton of risk that I cannot take again. I'm not saying this PR guy is going to steal our ECUs and black market them or something, but shipping in general a part for you car like that has way to many risks involved to be "hey, screw Cobb, this guy in Florida will do it for you!"

ya, shipping your ECU isn't a big deal if your MS3 isn't a DD, but i'm guessing that the vast majority of us have this car as a DD that we depend on. if you have the ability to just park it for a while without disrupting your daily activities, then shipping off the ECU would be perfectly viable, but as it stands for me, there's no chance in hell of that happening...=/

sorry to hear about your katrina woes, man...that really sounds like a royal PITA...
 
it is very common for ecu flash companies to need your ecu sent to them ....have some of you ever modded anything before ??? have you ever heard of a place called hondata ?? they tune honda/acuras and require you to ship your ecu. what you end up with is a reflash just like the AP will do for you but for much less $$$ because you dont have to buy the flash gizmo and the software and what not. the only problem i see is no ability to "fine tune" on a dyno when doing it by mail.
 
it is very common for ecu flash companies to need your ecu sent to them ....have some of you ever modded anything before ??? have you ever heard of a place called hondata ?? they tune honda/acuras and require you to ship your ecu. what you end up with is a reflash just like the AP will do for you but for much less $$$ because you dont have to buy the flash gizmo and the software and what not. the only problem i see is no ability to "fine tune" on a dyno when doing it by mail.

ya, i am well aware that this is standard practice if you want a performance reflash, but hondata is an established company that i would be willing to trust. i'm obviously not some kind of mazda tuning guru (or even close to that), but Performance Racing? i fully accept that getting my ECU reflashed without buying something like the AP requires me to part with it, but i'm sure as hell not going to consider the option unless i am DARN sure of the source.
 
ya, shipping your ECU isn't a big deal if your MS3 isn't a DD, but i'm guessing that the vast majority of us have this car as a DD that we depend on. if you have the ability to just park it for a while without disrupting your daily activities, then shipping off the ECU would be perfectly viable, but as it stands for me, there's no chance in hell of that happening...=/

sorry to hear about your katrina woes, man...that really sounds like a royal PITA...

Yeah, and thats why its out for me. DD=not loosing my ECU.

It was a PITA, though...went from "yeah, turnaround time is usually three to four days, so send it to us Thursday and you should have it back tuesday at the latest" to "yeah, we aren't sure if the shop is still there..."
 
Yeah, and thats why its out for me. DD=not loosing my ECU.

It was a PITA, though...went from "yeah, turnaround time is usually three to four days, so send it to us Thursday and you should have it back tuesday at the latest" to "yeah, we aren't sure if the shop is still there..."

(rlaugh)

haha...what image! :D

"ya, so i see a lake that might contain your so-called 'ECU'..."
 
+1

without more info, you can't reasonably expect people to consider sending away their ECU to some dude in FL. yes, i know it's "Performance Racing", but 99% of us have no idea who they are, so a formal introduction is definitely in order. i know people are supposedly getting "information sent to them", but asking for private emails to send this information just sounds SHADY! i am aware that this site blocks things, but make a formal post with information pasted into this forum if you (Performance Racing) would like to seriously get our interest.

i'll be completely honest when i say that this whole post sounds shady as hell as it stands right now, so you've got a fat chance in hell of getting me to entrust my ECU to you without a full disclosure of:

1. what ECU reflash does (raise boost, lean out AFR, etc.).
2. how much it costs (and yes, "a lot less than $900" is WAY too vague).
3. company information complete with website and phone number.

yes, i know some of this information can be searched for, but if you want our business, make the effort.

if i sound skeptical in this post, it's because i actually AM thoroughly unimpressed by the way Performance Racing is doing business here. having a forum user (on both this forum and the mazda3 forum) make a post like this without a formal disclosure by the producer of the product is bad form to say the least. if you want our business for a product 99% of us have never even heard of from a company we are completely in the dark about, it's time to earn it.
I am not a sponsor on this forum yet, so I cannot post a sale/GB here yet, and NYpest was kind enough to help spread the word.
We will be tuning AFR by altering boost, timing, etc.
Price is comparable to the Cobb AP. We sell the Cobb AP as well, but prefer our reflash for obvious reasons :)

I hope this is a relevant question that will not prove inflammatory....

Will Stage 1 be the Australian flash or something more?
-enganear
A bit more if we need to tweak it, which we will not since ALL MPS/Speed motors are the same (MPS3/Speed3).
Stage 2/2+/3 will all be more aggressive, more boost, etc, pretty exciting.

we shall see. i have severe reservations still. in addition the very way they do this is really quite sloppy. i mean, in order to go in for a dealer visit, you would have to ship your ECU back to the dude in FL to get a reflash back to stock...go to the dealer...RESHIP back to FL for a reflash back to the "performance flash". in the end, a simple dealer warranty job just cost you how many days of downtime? (bang)
Your dealer really does not read the PCM for updates... I've seen my dealer reflash my ECU with updates, twice. they hook it up and let the computer do the work.

As I was quoted from another forum to here, we retain factory settings related to your VIN (Car-specific) making it harder for Mazda to see we've flashed your ECU unless they look for it.

Also, if we can get a group of 6 or more in an area, I am willing to fly out and perform reflashes for you all for me to see.

I am not just some guy, I am the owner of Performance Racing, in FL and have been driving a Mazda6 from 03-06 and now drive a Mazdaspeed6.

I bring new things to the market not just to sell, but for myself, the community and because I simply love doing these things.

My price is almost $200 less than what the guys in Australia are charging.. for the same, exact reflash... just to prove I am not all about making money.
 
dude, if driver311 posted a thread that sounded this shady we would react the same way....

take a look at this thread:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123678740&highlight=turbolife

that is the perfect example of how to introduce a new product and become a new vendor

you obviously have a product that, if it is everything you say, would kick ass and sell! we wouldnt be doubting that if you took more than 5 seconds to make a thread that made sense, and one that doesnt give information here and there in random posts throughout the entire thread, you know? even if you dont have all the information, state what needs to be said, state the process users would have to go through, give a ballpark figure at least, post up dyno charts that are in the standard readings (HP and ft-lbs of tq), etc...
you have the information, but be a little more presentable

you are acting like you have a lot to hide from the buyer, which makes them not want to buy into this....




the reason the thread above is the perfect example is because it explains, very clearly, that he is looking for interest first....lays down in detail what hes planning to do, and gives projected end results...then if theres enough interest he continued futher, made the first product, showed it to the users, which is what sold it and made into a GREAT FMIC alternative


edit: just noticed PRacing's last post....its a step into the right direction, however you do not need authorized vendor status to post up an interest thread....turbolife didnt have it until he was ready to make the product and start taking orders
 
I am not just some guy, I am the owner of Performance Racing, in FL and have been driving a Mazda6 from 03-06 and now drive a Mazdaspeed6.

I bring new things to the market not just to sell, but for myself, the community and because I simply love doing these things.

My price is almost $200 less than what the guys in Australia are charging.. for the same, exact reflash... just to prove I am not all about making money.

i appreciate your efforts to bring this technology to the US. unfortunately, 700 is a lot to pay for a remote reflash when a PnP solution looms on the horizon (from both cobb, CP-E, etc.), so i wish you luck on your sales. hopefully, you can get vendor status on these forums soon and start posting more detailed information about your offerings.
 
Sending in your ECU is fairly common for a reflash depending on what you drive. Its not that big a deal. Further, I feel PR is getting much too much slack than he should be, probably because he is/may be the first to offer a "flash" for the MS3/6, etc in NA. Being first can mean alot of things, some positive, and as evident here, some negative (the haters/doubters). Fact is, who gives a s*** that PNP "piggyback" is "almost" here. The factory ECU fights the changes made by the piggyback to the best of its abilities. They are very touchy with temperature variations, etc. A "flash" changes the code in the ECU for certain parameters (timing, fuel, boost, etc) thus no fighting with itself, no issue in hot to cold temp. changes, etc. A flash will also compensate for minor bolt on's as you add them, just as the factory (stock) ECU would. As more serious bolt on's are added, a custom program can be created to compensate. The VW/Audi/BMW world has been enjoying this for many many years. The AP "sounds" like a good idea, but the programs are conservative (from what I've heard) and good luck to it ever coming out. You guys crack me up giving everyone a hard time. You dont want it, dont buy it. You dont trust it, let others test it first to prove if it works or not. Then make your decision. Why bash when this thread was simply to pass along info. Perhaps I was spoiled when I had my GTI, flashing whenever I wanted, not visible by the dealer, switchable octane programs, fuel pump programs, big exhaust programs, etc. I'll pass on a piggyback any time, any day, any price. PNP or not. Back to your hating please...
 
As more serious bolt on's are added, a custom program can be created to compensate. The VW/Audi/BMW world has been enjoying this for many many years. The AP "sounds" like a good idea, but the programs are conservative (from what I've heard) and good luck to it ever coming out.

As a former BMW owner with a flash, I will agree, nothing flat out beats a flash. I had an off the shelf flash for about a year, and when I started modding more heavily, I was getting custom flashes. They were worth it. As far as the AP goes, I think people need to understand that Cobb has a bunch on there plate, including a new R35. Personally, while I joke just as much as everyone else about them coming out with the MS3 AP, I think it is a great option. The more of these that are out there, the better.
 

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