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Ractive Header Pics
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dr_sarcasm
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Ceramic coating this header is probably a good idea. An acquaintance of mine, who has this header installed (for the better part of the year now - he's a Ractive employee), showed me that it does form surface rust (not just discolouration, but rust - can't tell if there's surface pitting).
dr_"can't beat that price though"_sarcasm.
dr_"can't beat that price though"_sarcasm.
dr_sarcasm
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KYMP5 said:is his name josh, if so i spoke to him the other day (i think his name was josh) and he said he had a p5 and they used his for the making of the header. he also explained to me why canada got a few before us. and why they are not widely available yet
LOL! His name's Jeff - and yup, his car was used as the guinea pig (his dark blue P5 was featured/showcased/displayed in one of the car mags...can't remember if it was PAS, Import Tuner, etc.).
Cheers,
dr_"still a good price"_sarcasm.
P.S. A local speed shop here in T.O., sells the header for $364CDN (can't remember if it includes taxes or not...).
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dr_sarcasm
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KYMP5 said:from what i understand from jeff is that they are of limited availability and that he only had a few instock. he said once the catbacks are released they will be easy to get and i j\should be able to sell them cheap
He does a lot of work on the side installing alarms (the man's a genius when it comes to alarms and the P5), and when I saw him last (about a month back), he told me the same thing. Limited production run, should be more commercially available after Jan. 1/04 (so, if you're gonna do that GB, KYMP5, I suggest you do it now for those who can't wait that long).
Cheers,
dr_"helpful sod that I am"_sarcasm.
So I guess that any header that we get for are car will require a MIL eliminator :mad: . I have a couple of questions: would it work if I got a hi-flow cat welded on the header some how in order to avoid the CEL ? And if I get the MIL fix since it gets rid of the CEL will it get rid of it eternally so as not to show up if another problem arises or perhaps cause other engine code malfunctions or problems for using it? and if I decided to not get rid of the primary cat for now and instead opt and get a custom downpipe made with flanges to replace the 2nd cat so i can bolt it on and off for emissons testing, Would I pass emissons with only the primary cat? Get a CEL? and how much performance would I gain doing this?
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you can get a hi flow cat welded. but where are you going to put it? the only way you can get the set up you are looking for to work (meaning you want to have both the primary cat, the secondary cat, a header system, and no CEL) is to go with a shorty header, downpipe with cat, and midpipe with cat. wagner motorsports actually has the parts. here's the caveat. it's around $500 for the shorty header. $475 for the downpipe with cat. $350 for the midpipe with cat. all cats are high flow.
the MIL fix will get rid of the O2 sensor warning. so if your cat WAS to go bad, you'll never know. but it is independent of any other CEL you might get. this modification is for the O2 sensor only.
i think you are mistaking your primary and secondary cats. your primary cat is the drum-like thing sitting right under your heat shield right now if your car is stock. getting a header will replace all that restrictive tubing up to the secondary cat. the secondary cat is the thing that you bolt your catback exhaust up to and is also where you would hook up your header. this point is also where the midpipe is.
so a brief descriptive schematic of your exhaust if you are completely stock:
exhaust manifold --> stock header (which is too short and too crappy) --> primary cat --> downpipe --> midpipe --> secondary cat --> s-pipe of the exhaust --> axle back exhaust section.
with the ractive header, it will go:
exhaust manifold --> header --> midpipe --> secondary cat --> exhaust piping.
hope this helps. i got a little turned around with the two options of elminating the CEL. but it's pretty clear now. you can either get the MIL fix, or you can rewire your second O2 sensor to s-pipe of your exhaust AFTER the secondary cat. the O2 sensor will now see catalyzed exhaust instead of the raw stuff. either way works.
the MIL fix will get rid of the O2 sensor warning. so if your cat WAS to go bad, you'll never know. but it is independent of any other CEL you might get. this modification is for the O2 sensor only.
i think you are mistaking your primary and secondary cats. your primary cat is the drum-like thing sitting right under your heat shield right now if your car is stock. getting a header will replace all that restrictive tubing up to the secondary cat. the secondary cat is the thing that you bolt your catback exhaust up to and is also where you would hook up your header. this point is also where the midpipe is.
so a brief descriptive schematic of your exhaust if you are completely stock:
exhaust manifold --> stock header (which is too short and too crappy) --> primary cat --> downpipe --> midpipe --> secondary cat --> s-pipe of the exhaust --> axle back exhaust section.
with the ractive header, it will go:
exhaust manifold --> header --> midpipe --> secondary cat --> exhaust piping.
hope this helps. i got a little turned around with the two options of elminating the CEL. but it's pretty clear now. you can either get the MIL fix, or you can rewire your second O2 sensor to s-pipe of your exhaust AFTER the secondary cat. the O2 sensor will now see catalyzed exhaust instead of the raw stuff. either way works.
Subghetto said:So I guess that any header that we get for are car will require a MIL eliminator :mad: . I have a couple of questions: would it work if I got a hi-flow cat welded on the header some how in order to avoid the CEL ? And if I get the MIL fix since it gets rid of the CEL will it get rid of it eternally so as not to show up if another problem arises or perhaps cause other engine code malfunctions or problems for using it? and if I decided to not get rid of the primary cat for now and instead opt and get a custom downpipe made with flanges to replace the 2nd cat so i can bolt it on and off for emissons testing, Would I pass emissons with only the primary cat? Get a CEL? and how much performance would I gain doing this?
p5sundevil
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KYMP5, just pm me if you want me to start getting an offical GB list together, Ill just start a thread in the other forum and post all the basic info to start it up.
and yes, this is about the best deal I think anyone is gonna be able to find for a GOOD header for our cars unless you own your own shop. =P
Especially if your like me and wanna retain that 2nd cat for at least a little while. plus since I will have to swap the stocker back in every 2 yrs for emmisions this setup is more user friendly for that.
KYMP5, just pm me if you want me to start getting an offical GB list together, Ill just start a thread in the other forum and post all the basic info to start it up.
and yes, this is about the best deal I think anyone is gonna be able to find for a GOOD header for our cars unless you own your own shop. =P
Especially if your like me and wanna retain that 2nd cat for at least a little while. plus since I will have to swap the stocker back in every 2 yrs for emmisions this setup is more user friendly for that.
p5sundevil
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OK ill go post now in the Gb, Ill put your name and mine on there KYMP5 and then everyone please just reply in the GB thread Im about to create and I will keep editing the first post to include everyones name.
to expound a little on tonks reply...
this cell fix is for the 2nd O2 sensor only just like what was said, each time the CEL light comes on it is because the ECU has received a bad signal from somewhere and there is a code for each problem that could potentially trigger a CEL light, since our ECU's are pretty advanced(although weak) this MIL fix will ONLY affect your readings from the 2nd o2 sensor, again like what was said the only potential problem is you wouldnt know if your 2nd cat ever went bad. I dont really consider that a problem though.
Also when mentioning the exhaust manifold that IS a shorty header/full length header or stocker "header". they are all the same thing just different designs and performance.
so stock setup is:
exhaust mani-> primary cat-> downpipe-> 2nd cat->midpipe-> axleback/muffler.
with the ractive header you are replacing the exhaust manifold, primary cat and downpipe.
so you would have ractive header-> 2nd cat-> cat-back exhaust system whether it be aftermarket or stock.
to expound a little on tonks reply...
this cell fix is for the 2nd O2 sensor only just like what was said, each time the CEL light comes on it is because the ECU has received a bad signal from somewhere and there is a code for each problem that could potentially trigger a CEL light, since our ECU's are pretty advanced(although weak) this MIL fix will ONLY affect your readings from the 2nd o2 sensor, again like what was said the only potential problem is you wouldnt know if your 2nd cat ever went bad. I dont really consider that a problem though.
Also when mentioning the exhaust manifold that IS a shorty header/full length header or stocker "header". they are all the same thing just different designs and performance.
so stock setup is:
exhaust mani-> primary cat-> downpipe-> 2nd cat->midpipe-> axleback/muffler.
with the ractive header you are replacing the exhaust manifold, primary cat and downpipe.
so you would have ractive header-> 2nd cat-> cat-back exhaust system whether it be aftermarket or stock.
Just a quick update on this Header's performance...took me about 2 hours start to finish, had a bolt ont he downpipe that wouldnt co-operate. All said and done, you'll need to replace the exhaust gasket in the downpipe..I re-used the upper exh. manifold gasket only because Mazda has it backordered and dont know when it will be in...the stock one looked perfect anyhow.
Performance...quite impressed. low end and midrange is much crisper, before with my cams and crank pulley all the power was above 4k rpm, now it starts at about 2500 and pulls hard to 7000. I dont have access to a dyno, so I dont have any real numbers for you...hard to tell on the butt dyno but there is a good chunk more power there.
You guys will laugh when you take your stock setup off...I bet the manifold and cat/downpipe weigh atleast 75lbs...no joke!
I had a muffler shop put in an O2 bung for me behind the second cat...I cut the O2 sensor wires and lengthened them by about 4'..everything working perfectly, no cel.
I also put another O2 bung in front of the secondary cat..I will move the first o2 sensor (in the header) down there in the next couple of days...reason..first O2 sensor is only reading from one cylinder (Header design...all of them are the same) if that one cylinder is running rich or lean it will determine what the ecu will do for the entire engine..if you move the O2 sensor to where all the pipes meet it will read from all the cylindrs..Correct me if Im wrong but I think this would be a better situation from the ECU standpoint? Either way...O2 bungs were $10 each so what the hell..I say this is a great buy and am sure you will be very happy with this mod!!!
Oh yeah..by the way, I had my car emissioned before I installed the header, passed perfectly (48000kms) but the guy at the muffler shop said it would have still passed with flying colors with the header on...visual inspection only needs to see "a Cat" not two. (here in Ontario anyways)
Performance...quite impressed. low end and midrange is much crisper, before with my cams and crank pulley all the power was above 4k rpm, now it starts at about 2500 and pulls hard to 7000. I dont have access to a dyno, so I dont have any real numbers for you...hard to tell on the butt dyno but there is a good chunk more power there.
You guys will laugh when you take your stock setup off...I bet the manifold and cat/downpipe weigh atleast 75lbs...no joke!
I had a muffler shop put in an O2 bung for me behind the second cat...I cut the O2 sensor wires and lengthened them by about 4'..everything working perfectly, no cel.
I also put another O2 bung in front of the secondary cat..I will move the first o2 sensor (in the header) down there in the next couple of days...reason..first O2 sensor is only reading from one cylinder (Header design...all of them are the same) if that one cylinder is running rich or lean it will determine what the ecu will do for the entire engine..if you move the O2 sensor to where all the pipes meet it will read from all the cylindrs..Correct me if Im wrong but I think this would be a better situation from the ECU standpoint? Either way...O2 bungs were $10 each so what the hell..I say this is a great buy and am sure you will be very happy with this mod!!!
Oh yeah..by the way, I had my car emissioned before I installed the header, passed perfectly (48000kms) but the guy at the muffler shop said it would have still passed with flying colors with the header on...visual inspection only needs to see "a Cat" not two. (here in Ontario anyways)
p5sundevil
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nice, yah here we cant touch any OBDII related devices meaning both cats but I may just have a custom heat sheild made for the lower half of the header so it looks like it is covering something...or just swap in stock every 2 yrs.
Thx for the report, appreciate it alot there have been alot of questions as to performance from this header.
Thx for the report, appreciate it alot there have been alot of questions as to performance from this header.
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