Question about engine replacement

[Blackrose]

Anyone who has been arround engines knows this. A connecting rod could "knock" though blackrose. It would be one knock though then more of a bang, and a few clunks and a chuck fallowed by complete silence.

Im not arguing that a connecting rod can make a kncocking sound. But it is "technically" not Rod Knock.

 

[erikmanx]

Dude, stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Its totally derailing my thread.

I am asking people for advice on WHERE to find an engine, like a shortblock, I can rebuild and put in my car.

So again, guys. I know how to diagnose an engine. I THINK I have rod knock. Im going to take a timing light to it later tonight and find out for sure. You can tell whether a noise is in the upper assembly vs lower assembly by where you hear it in conjunction to the light.

Im not a noob to cars here. Im not trying to start a fight. I get sick and tired when everyone on the internet tries to be so LITERAL.

To those who are trying to help, I really appreciate it.

To those who are just trying to argue a stupid slang terminology around, stop trying to help.

Oh and CRANKWALK is the CRANKSHAFT itself (NOT THE MAIN BEARING JOURNALS) wearing against the THRUST BEARING which can lead to destroying the CAS or just throwing a rod.

 

[erikmanx]

Rod knock is a buzz term to describe something very bad happening to any motor that produces a sound but it is a technical term for a malfuncioning in a push rod.

A thrown rod is when you litterally throw a push rod up againt the ceiling of the head or through it. You cant through a rod in a protege because we dont have push rods. this is yet another "buzz" term.

No, and no.

Rod knock is very real, and it means the bolts stretched or the journals are out of round causing excessive play and hammering the crank journals.

And throwing a rod means it became disconnected from the crank or piston, which is how you get that nice window in the side of your motor.

You're thinking of knock, which is a "buzz" term which means anything from a spun bearing, to detonation.

 

[JoeManNorth]

And throwing a rod means it became disconnected from the crank or piston, which is how you get that nice window in the side of your motor.
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Dude, that's droping the piston not throwing a rod. (flame2)

 

[Blackrose]

Im sorry you feel I belittled your thread in any way.

You want a short block then so be it

www.protegegarage.com

www.speedcircut.net


I think www.corksport.com sells them

And there might be one or two others.

Have a Super Day.

 

[erikmanx]

And throwing a rod means it became disconnected from the crank or piston, which is how you get that nice window in the side of your motor.
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Dude, that's droping the piston not throwing a rod. (flame2)

LOL and where do you think the rod goes when the thing is moving at thousands of revolutions per minute? Its inherently at a slant, it isnt in there straight, and since there is no rotation directing that force, it usually goes through the side of the block.

 

[Blackrose]

No, and no.

Rod knock is very real, and it means the bolts stretched or the journals are out of round causing excessive play and hammering the crank journals.

And throwing a rod means it became disconnected from the crank or piston, which is how you get that nice window in the side of your motor.

You're thinking of knock, which is a "buzz" term which means anything from a spun bearing, to detonation.

You just bitched at me about derailing your thread and then you cant resist but carry on.... Fine dude whatever.. Its your thread and you win. I like a good debate but you asked me to stop then you carry on??? What the deal. If you dont like what I say dont listen, click the ignore button or simply ask me to stop... I did and you carried on... So who is not so sure about if they are right or wrong.???

 

[erikmanx]

Look, argue all you want then. Fine.

I got my links, I got the info I wanted, this can turn into a bitchfest all it wants now.

I dont like misinformation at all. And I believe you are posting it.

You even edited your version of crankwalk AFTER I posted my version of it. You are totally just arguing for the sake of arguing. It seems like youre trying to save face.

I just think its ridiculous in the first place to come into my thread and argue terminology, where if you were inclined to help, you would have either tried to guide me to FIND the trouble, instead of just telling me I was using the wrong term.

Either way, I believe you are wrong with your use of rod knock. I think youre thinking of just KNOCK. Go do a google search on rod knock. Tell me it talks about pushrods in any of the things you find. Im seeing connecting rods this, connecting rods that, etc relating to the crankshalft and piston wrist pins etc.


Either way, Ill post what I find is wrong with my engine tonight after me and my buddy look at it using the timing light and tracing sounds with a screwdriver (the ol stethoscope method)

 

[Blackrose]

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[erikmanx]

K, Ive said what I want to, I would like to call a truce, in context (if someone wanted to read the whole thing), one can determine the nature of my trouble and what Im talking about. They can determine the nature of what you are talking about and discern what they want.

So Im saying truce k?

 

[JoeManNorth]

lol too funny... Lets google it!

I dont even know blackrose and I can tell you he's talking from experiance, not googling. I have a little experiance and I know what's what. Experiance as in being in a garage with a bunch of mechanics pulling appart and fixing actual cars. All in All, I would have to hear your engine to tell you what it MAY be. I know I have a possible bent valve, and it "knocks" Then again, it might not even be that.

"LOL and where do you think the rod goes when the thing is moving at thousands of revolutions per minute? Its inherently at a slant, it isnt in there straight, and since there is no rotation directing that force, it usually goes through the side of the block."

And if the conecting rod goes threw the side of the block, where do you think the PISTON goes? or should we explain to you what's conected to the conecting rod?

 

[JoeManNorth]

But allright, I agree to your truce. You also did say you would like to keep the second block to rebuild it to take more HP (turbo) so what's the point of arguing if you're going to swap the engine out anyways?

 

[Blackrose]

K, Ive said what I want to, I would like to call a truce, in context (if someone wanted to read the whole thing), one can determine the nature of my trouble and what Im talking about. They can determine the nature of what you are talking about and discern what they want.

So Im saying truce k?

Ok I did some more research.. What you are calling Rod knock is in fact called rod knock. I grew up in Chicago.. This is one of the musclecar capitols. If you even said rod knock around one of those guys when refering to your OHC car they would give you the 5th degree. I concide. I was always told that this is typically a type of crank walk and not called rod knock. Maybe its kind of a reginal thing. I am sorry it escilated to that level. I guess it really is dumb to arguee terms but hell this is how we all learn. Besides now I can give those lead sled, mullet wearing assholes a good tounge lashing back now.

 

[Blackrose]

BTW i didnt edit my post to change what crank walk is. I am a terible speller and was meerly correcting myself.

 

[erikmanx]

Ok I did some more research.. What you are calling Rod knock is in fact called rod knock. I grew up in Chicago.. This is one of the musclecar capitols. If you even said rod knock around one of those guys when refering to your OHC car they would give you the 5th degree. I concide. I was always told that this is typically a type of crank walk and not called rod knock. Maybe its kind of a reginal thing. I am sorry it escilated to that level. I guess it really is dumb to arguee terms but hell this is how we all learn. Besides now I can give those lead sled, mullet wearing assholes a good tounge lashing back now.

Haha, word. Thanks man.

 

[ForBidden]

is it more of a tick or when u rev up can u here the pistion hit against the wall? if its a tick its your vavle spings nothing to wory about normal wear if its a knock then your prety much ****** mine went out at 66k due to haveing no oil in the motor cause of that it the tranny shop ******* bastards....

 

[erikmanx]

Well... from inside the car it sounds ticky... but if you park next to a wall, or another car where there is a slight echo, or what not, it sounds like a knock. When you get your head up under there it sounds like its coming from the back of the engine down at the block, not in the head, but we will see tonight with the timing light and trusty screwdriver if theres any correlation.

 

[ForBidden]

does it get louder when u get in the higher rpms while driving like somethings relly banging in there?

 

[erikmanx]

Yeah, it seems to get louder.

It also doesnt do it RIGHT away in the morning when its cold, it makes the noise a minute or so after I start it.

 

[ForBidden]

well it makes sence your oil is still thick i i dono whats happening to yours i spwn a road bearing your bearing could be wearing out if u wanna see if u can last long on your motor try putting a thicker weight of oil with a quart of lucas it could stop your problem.