prototype turbo pics!!!!!
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deepcover6
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Comn' guys
Personally I think this setup is great and worth the money, mainly due to it being easy to install and the quality of the parts. Now that fall is here 4-5psi non-intercooled sounds ok. By the way you all have probably seen what Greddy, Tripoint and the other big names offer and at what price range for the Civics. BEGI set out to make a kit for our cars (as advertised on their site) but ended up making a kit for the P5. Spoolin has done us all a great favor and done some great R&D work on our car(MP3) and come up with a fly kit, now we're trying to talk discount. Just like Apexi said...'We don't know what materials he's using nor do we know how much he's actually paying to have things fabricated to his need.' Since he does not get them on a bulk order I assume he is paying a pretty penny for each setup which is hand made<<<that there is justification enough for the price. I am not a representative for his company, just giving credit where credit is due.
Personally I think this setup is great and worth the money, mainly due to it being easy to install and the quality of the parts. Now that fall is here 4-5psi non-intercooled sounds ok. By the way you all have probably seen what Greddy, Tripoint and the other big names offer and at what price range for the Civics. BEGI set out to make a kit for our cars (as advertised on their site) but ended up making a kit for the P5. Spoolin has done us all a great favor and done some great R&D work on our car(MP3) and come up with a fly kit, now we're trying to talk discount. Just like Apexi said...'We don't know what materials he's using nor do we know how much he's actually paying to have things fabricated to his need.' Since he does not get them on a bulk order I assume he is paying a pretty penny for each setup which is hand made<<<that there is justification enough for the price. I am not a representative for his company, just giving credit where credit is due.
Re: Comn' guys
I really agree here...By running near or under 5psi for a stage 1 kit you canget turbo without have to make all of those necessary upgrades for kits with higher psi(clutch, flywheel, etc). That's awesome for people like me that eat Ramen noodles for lunch everyday so they can affordmore s*** for their car (not complainging tho, Ramen noodels kick some ass) Also, we know there will be great CS with this kit...The only thing I would like to see is the fuel problem resolved...I won't buy a turbo until someone finds a cure(lol this is my excuse to make me feel better since I can't afford it)
deepcover6 said:Personally I think this setup is great and worth the money, mainly due to it being easy to install and the quality of the parts. Now that fall is here 4-5psi non-intercooled sounds ok.
I really agree here...By running near or under 5psi for a stage 1 kit you canget turbo without have to make all of those necessary upgrades for kits with higher psi(clutch, flywheel, etc). That's awesome for people like me that eat Ramen noodles for lunch everyday so they can affordmore s*** for their car
(not complainging tho, Ramen noodels kick some ass) Also, we know there will be great CS with this kit...The only thing I would like to see is the fuel problem resolved...I won't buy a turbo until someone finds a cure(lol this is my excuse to make me feel better since I can't afford it)I understand everyones concerns for price. But everyone must keep in mind that this comes with race quality stuff. This is not not some mass produced kit. Everything is handmade. The only down side is no intercooler and that will be addressed soon. As for the mandrel bends, our charge pipe flows just as well as one being made in sections. If you look at all the japanese tuning houses............they prefer sectioned pieces, obisiously this is more time consuming and costly than a mandrel bent pipe but thats not what I am looking to do here.
Here were the objectives while making the kit.
Outflow the competitors manifolds
Make handmade race fabricated quality materials.
ALLOW the customer to custom specify (such as a tial wastegate over a turbonetics, or a balbearing over a sleve, full tubular vs shorty manifold)
We utilize an external wastegate over the competitions internal wastegate.
Blow the competitors price out of the water with hand fabbed stuff. Our kit is almost a 1000 dollars cheaper than the next competitor.
I could have cut corners and made the kit for even 2200 dollars but I dont want to sell a cheesy product. See there is a double edged sord here. If I release a good product at a reasonable price there will always be people questioning the price. If I release a product that is considerably cheaper and skimp on quality then people question quality.
I would rather have better quality then be known for making cheap kits.
In reality I cannot even think of a turbo kit manufacturer (i.e HKS, hahn race craft, jimwolf, drag) that even make turbo kits in the 2300-2400 dollar price range. It just not feasable to do so unless companys are willing to sell kits at no profit. Even cars like the civic that have a tremendous amount of aftermarket support do not have kits in the low 2g range. In reality most turbo kits range in the 3500-4500 range without engine managment.
Yes the 2400 price tag has a nice ring to the ears but is not realistic.
When we release stage 2 upgrade dont expect skimpy stuff either. It will be the best that money can buy. Will it be cheap....no but it will be very reasonable for what it is.
And if you really wanna save money....just buy a shorty header for 550 beans and make your own kit!
Here were the objectives while making the kit.
Outflow the competitors manifolds
Make handmade race fabricated quality materials.
ALLOW the customer to custom specify (such as a tial wastegate over a turbonetics, or a balbearing over a sleve, full tubular vs shorty manifold)
We utilize an external wastegate over the competitions internal wastegate.
Blow the competitors price out of the water with hand fabbed stuff. Our kit is almost a 1000 dollars cheaper than the next competitor.
I could have cut corners and made the kit for even 2200 dollars but I dont want to sell a cheesy product. See there is a double edged sord here. If I release a good product at a reasonable price there will always be people questioning the price. If I release a product that is considerably cheaper and skimp on quality then people question quality.
I would rather have better quality then be known for making cheap kits.
In reality I cannot even think of a turbo kit manufacturer (i.e HKS, hahn race craft, jimwolf, drag) that even make turbo kits in the 2300-2400 dollar price range. It just not feasable to do so unless companys are willing to sell kits at no profit. Even cars like the civic that have a tremendous amount of aftermarket support do not have kits in the low 2g range. In reality most turbo kits range in the 3500-4500 range without engine managment.
Yes the 2400 price tag has a nice ring to the ears but is not realistic.
When we release stage 2 upgrade dont expect skimpy stuff either. It will be the best that money can buy. Will it be cheap....no but it will be very reasonable for what it is.
And if you really wanna save money....just buy a shorty header for 550 beans and make your own kit!
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Here is where you can find the reasoning for the price. I have the tubular manifold, and I have seen linuxracers FM manifold. The FM manifold looks like it will last for 500,000 miles, but really, besides that, it doesn't look good at all. It looks like an iron block. Theres no offence to Corky for it though, because he wasn't trying to build a manifold that would be race quality. He built the manifold for reliability and longevity. I'm sure Terry's manifolds will last up around 100,000 miles, but they are built for high flow and quick spool characteristics. Put the two manifolds side by side and you will see the reason for the price. And it's not like the price is bad. It's still cheaper than the FM kit. The only downfall of SpoolinMP3's kit is that it doesn't bolt up directly to the existing exhaust system like the FM kit. The FM kit is basically "dummy proof". With Terry's kit, you will still need to take your car to a muffler shop to get the exhaust hooked up.
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DooMer_MP3
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big_ben said:
After second thought, I think the price is fine, especially after seeing the latest pictures.
Spoolin, is there any way to make the downpipe bolt onto the secondary cat/cat back exhaust or anything like that in the kit spoolin?
Chris
mikesmazda155
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spoolinmp3 said:
Hey dude check your email.
mike I sent you mail regarding the matter. Check your paypal when you get a chance. Thanks for your patience!
mikesmazda155
Member
Thanks spoolin
spoolinmp3 said:I understand everyones concerns for price. But everyone must keep in mind that this comes with race quality stuff. This is not not some mass produced kit. Everything is handmade. The only down side is no intercooler and that will be addressed soon. As for the mandrel bends, our charge pipe flows just as well as one being made in sections. If you look at all the japanese tuning houses............they prefer sectioned pieces, obisiously this is more time consuming and costly than a mandrel bent pipe but thats not what I am looking to do here.
Here were the objectives while making the kit.
Outflow the competitors manifolds
Make handmade race fabricated quality materials.
ALLOW the customer to custom specify (such as a tial wastegate over a turbonetics, or a balbearing over a sleve, full tubular vs shorty manifold)
We utilize an external wastegate over the competitions internal wastegate.
Blow the competitors price out of the water with hand fabbed stuff. Our kit is almost a 1000 dollars cheaper than the next competitor.
I could have cut corners and made the kit for even 2200 dollars but I dont want to sell a cheesy product. See there is a double edged sord here. If I release a good product at a reasonable price there will always be people questioning the price. If I release a product that is considerably cheaper and skimp on quality then people question quality.
I would rather have better quality then be known for making cheap kits.
In reality I cannot even think of a turbo kit manufacturer (i.e HKS, hahn race craft, jimwolf, drag) that even make turbo kits in the 2300-2400 dollar price range. It just not feasable to do so unless companys are willing to sell kits at no profit. Even cars like the civic that have a tremendous amount of aftermarket support do not have kits in the low 2g range. In reality most turbo kits range in the 3500-4500 range without engine managment.
Yes the 2400 price tag has a nice ring to the ears but is not realistic.
When we release stage 2 upgrade dont expect skimpy stuff either. It will be the best that money can buy. Will it be cheap....no but it will be very reasonable for what it is.
And if you really wanna save money....just buy a shorty header for 550 beans and make your own kit!
I definitely hear what you're saying. I build computers on the side, and people want a super bargain (although I can build a system cheap), but there's some things I REFUSE to do (like use crappy parts, etc), just because I don't want to be associated with a crappy PC. BUT, everyone seemed to overlook my earlier comment...Terry, give people an option to NOT have the kit powder coated, and take $100 off or so (or whatever the coating costs). The powder coating is really only for looks, but $100 can make or break someone's pocket book.
I guesse I could offer the kit uncoated, if anyone is interested in this let me know.
my only concern is this. Somebody installs the kit in there car, and it looks like s*** because everything is uncoated. Then this person shows off the kit to other people and see this crappy looking kit and they ask "where did u get it from?" and the owner responds"SPOOL ITS" and the other guy thinks to himself and makes a mental note........man I aint buyin that POS.
This is the way things work, quality and finish play a big role in desirability. When you see a nice product that has a nice finish you say wow....sweet!
my only concern is this. Somebody installs the kit in there car, and it looks like s*** because everything is uncoated. Then this person shows off the kit to other people and see this crappy looking kit and they ask "where did u get it from?" and the owner responds"SPOOL ITS" and the other guy thinks to himself and makes a mental note........man I aint buyin that POS.
This is the way things work, quality and finish play a big role in desirability. When you see a nice product that has a nice finish you say wow....sweet!
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very true Antoine, I know a 100 beans is a lot of money but the overall look is very important
a high temp spray paint is a temp. solution to an apperance problem. The paint scratches easily and over not much time looses its color and it prone to flake if expose to too much heat as in a turbo application. Power coating is much more durable, last longer, is more easily cleaned, and will last a lifetime if taken care of. With as many points for powder coating I would rather spend the extra 100 bucks and have a kti that is goign to look good for a long time especially if I planned on keeping the car a long time or selling it for that matter, Try sellign a car with a crappy looking turbo kit thats been spray painted and see how many people laugh at you.....Quality goes a long way.....look at mazdaspeed their parts are top dollar but the construction and finish of their products is at the top of the game...and i'm not talking like JE or Greddy quality I'm talking Signal, C-West, and Vielside quality products here just like Terrys kit to my opinion is the best looking kit out there and very well worth the money....with the upgradability, looks, finish, and features you won't find another like it...the external wastegate is eaier upgraded to a higher spring in teh future and has alot better responce and less boost creep than an internal wastegate....The FMU is pretty much a standard in turbo kit but his kit is upgradeable and I would assume that in his later stages he will include different fuel managment. There are alot of factors out there when deciding a turbo kit. If I had a honda persay I wouldn't buy any of the kits that are out there I would piece my own together personally....yeah it would cost more but better quality......Terry has taken that concept and released it in a kit form so taht you don't hav eto find all the good compentents they are all there in one convenient box. Oh yeah Terry I have an awesome idea you might like for a upgrade stage its a little pricey but we are talking all teh way baby.....well not too price probably in the ohhhhh 1300 buck range....IM me or PM me and I will tell you about it so we can keep it hush hush.
I am all ears CH
I just PMed you
I have something in the works for managment in the later stages. So far 4-5 psi and the FMU are posing no problems. But anything over that will be addressed. We are working on a solution
