Protege5 downshifting while driving

Fb4l63

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Hey I'm a total noob to the forums and haven't been able to find a similar problem to mine through the threads, if anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate it.
I have an '02 Protege5 that is downshifting while driving. The speedometer drops to 0 for a moment while the RPMS jack up. It only lasts about 4-5 seconds and then goes back to normal. The issue is totally random and there is nothing that I've found will make it occur.

In the last 2 months I've had new plugs, wires, and a speed sensor put in, as well as replacing the ECU. Two different shops have looked at it and found no codes in the transmission and the wire from the speed sensor to the transmission is good. They both say they are 95% sure it's not the transmission but we're coming up with nothing.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt
 
One transmission shop, one is my personal mechanic. The transmission shop found no codes in the transmission and tested the wire from the tranny to the speed sensor. Their thought was possibly the ECU or a bad ground somewhere.
 
Same thing happened to my mom's, if your o2 sensors are shot, it'll screw up the readings given to your ecu that tell it when to shift. You also might wanna try replacing the plugs again, its cheap and it could also be your problem. Go with NGK's, hope this helps.
 
Same thing happened to my mom's, if your o2 sensors are shot, it'll screw up the readings given to your ecu that tell it when to shift. You also might wanna try replacing the plugs again, its cheap and it could also be your problem. Go with NGK's, hope this helps.

are you sure about that? never ever heard of a bad o2 causing an automatic transmission to down shift? and i'm almost 100% certain bad plugs don't do that either....

OP, i'm assuming you've checked the tranny fluid leve?
 
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OP, i'm assuming you've checked the tranny fluid leve?[/QUOTE]


Yeah, my mechanic was wondering if a tranny flush might help, but wasn't sure. He's never had an issue like this.
 
I wasn't saying it was a definite fix. I knew the 02 sensor was gone and needed to be replaced cuz of the code it threw, so i replaced it, then changed spark plugs n' wires. i let it idle for like 5 minutes then took it out for a test drive, all seemed fine. before this you would be going down the road as normal and then for no apparent reason it would shift and rpms would shoot up to like 4500.
 
It sounds like the Vehicle Speed Sensor has a problem. The VSS signal gets lost, speedo drops to zero, PCM thinks speed drops and tells the transaxle to downshift to the appropriate gear. Consequently, I'm in agreement with the mechanics you've visited and thinking the transmission is not the problem.

Definitely a tough one, since you've replaced the VSS and PCM. Since it is intermittent, I'm leaning towards wiring. Wiring is usually good, then a temporary loss of signal due to a small break in contacts. The majority of time the wiring shows continuity, that's why it tests as fine.
 
ya, he's on to something here...bad grounds/connections cause havoc with todays electronic driven vehicles...try and notice when this happens...bad road/bumps etc...
 
I wonder if anyone found the answer to this one. I'm having a similar problem. Semi-random downshifting - but no noticeable issues with the speedometer.
 
You're probably better off posting a new thread describing as best to your abilities what's going on...
 
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I just bought this car recently. It is a 2002.5 Protege5 with automanual/tiptronic. Odometer reads 112K, believed correct. Here is a description of the issue, and what has been done so far.

DESCRIPTION OF ISSUE:
When letting off the gas pedal, in auto mode, the trans sometimes does an unnecessary downshift, sometimes hard, and sometimes this is followed by shifting back and forth searching for proper gear. This can be from 4 to 3, or from 3 to 2. This is only in auto mode. In manual mode, there is no noticeable transmission issue. Other than this, shifting up through the gears in auto mode is normal with normal shift points and no slippage/flare and no hard shift. A possible related symptom: taking the shift lever from into R (car stationary, level, from N or P) there is sometimes a hard shift into reverse, i.e. the trans jerks on engaging reverse instead of engaging smoothly.

ATTEMPTED REMEDIES:
1. Transmission fluid had wrong color, wrong smell, and wrong consistency. Performed standard service on the trans. Drain, open, replace filter, close, refill 3 qts, then bleed one quart at a time through cooler hose until it all turns pink (five quarts needed). Verified level at temperature. Used Mercon V. No previous problems with Mercon V in five years with 10 Protege fleet vehicles.

2. Replaced the pulse generator with pulse generator from working car. Pulse generator is located on top of trans and can be accessed by reaching down between air intake hose and engine. No effect.

3. Took out and cleaned Vehicle speed sensor - sludge deposited on tip. VSS is located down low on rear of trans and can be accessed from under car between firewall and trans. When removing VSS have a catch pan available as trans fluid will pour out of the hole if car is not level. Did not have replacement VSS available, because only available car has ABS and ABS cars do not have a VSS on the trans, just a plastic plug in the hole LOL!!!! Cleaning VSS had no effect, so will swap with working VSS at earliest opportunity. ADDED LATER: I did swap the VSS from a good car and this had no effect.

4. Inspected motor mounts and found significant wear. Replaced trans mount and front and right motor mounts - so the engine and trans are supported adequately. Rear motor mount looks ok on close inspection so will not mess with that one. To give you an idea, here is what two of the mounts looked like:

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As you can see from the condition of the mounts, whoever owned this car before me did not place a high priority on maintenance. DO NOT RUN YOUR CAR WITH MOTOR MOUNTS IN THIS CONDITION, OR BAD STUFF WILL HAPPEN!

Replacing the mounts reduced overall vibration in cabin and did reduce the sensation of jerks from the transmission but did not eliminate them. :)

Anyway thanks for reading, fellow Mazdaheads, and if anyone has any bright ideas, do let me know.

ADDED LATER: PROBLEM SOLVED
There were in fact two problems in tandem. The first problem was bad transmission fluid. This caused the downshifts to be "hard." Thorougly flushing the trans fluid resolved the hard shifts. But it did not resolve the other problem, which was incorrect downshifting behavior/seemingly random downshifts. It appears that this problem was caused by an incorrectly mounted Throttle Position Sensor (TPS). It appears that the tooth of the TPS was not mated correctly to the slot on the throttle body. This caused the computer to misread the throttle position, and order inappropriate downshifts (basically this was a kick-down happening whenever I let off the gas!) I reached this conclusion deductively as there was no way for me to reach it by direct observation. Here's what I did: I removed the TPS from the throttle body for testing and inspection. It checked out ok. But then I quickly realized there was almost no way to re-install the TPS correctly without removing the entire throttle body. So I removed the throttle body, installed the TPS on it correctly, then re-installed the throttle body. Afterwards the transmission worked correctly, with no more improper downshifts. The transmission is now running exactly the way it should run, with the only change being remounting the TPS (not quite - i did disconnect then reconnect the throttle cooler lines, and I did disconnect then reconnect the throttle cable - but these changes seem inconsequential). Ergo, the TPS was not correctly mounted previously. Whoever had installed it previously probably did it without removing the throttle body, and got it wrong as a result.

THE MORAL LESSONS OF THE STORY:
There are some very interesting morals to be drawn from this story. I will leave them as an exercise to the reader.
 
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This is exactly the issue I have had with my 02 P5. I'll be tearing into the TP Sensor and Throttle Body as needed this week. Many thanks to Merryfrankster for the update with the resolution. You da man!
 
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