preliminary pics of Perfworks setup

[perfworks]

I think it will too, but i'll wait to hear from Micah on whether his fits

IT WILL FIT WITH NO PROBLEM . micah came to the shop the other day. i allready took the measurments and we are on our way.
BTW MICAH the turbo and cooler are on there way.
As of 3:00 cali time!!

 

[Micah]

SWEET!!!!!

 

[Jeph]

Hey Micah, are you taking it to the track after you install it? How about the dyno? I want to see some impressive numbers out of this kit

 

[Micah]

I'll definitely be hitting the Dyno, and though I don't like beating on my car - I'll be hitting Englishtowne raceway a few times. My brother works security there, and about 3 of my very close friends run their cars there ( Ryan - 92 Camaro Z-28 @ 11.42 ). The important thing is I have to see how the car feels. I have a daily commute that usually involves speeds up to 80mph, and stop and go traffic that can move at 1mph. (I live in South Amboy/Old Bridge, my commute takes me up Rt 9, onto the parkway, over the Raritan Bridge, then back on to Rt 9, then into some neighborhood areas of Woodbridge).

 

[Jeph]

So is that your goal out of your Protege? to have a little more go around town, and keep it your daily driver? Because my goal is to keep it my daily driver, have more than 200 whp, and run mid 13's to high 13's in the quarter if i want it to. Prolly won't take it to the track much because i value the engine and transmission, but a couple of times just for fun Oh an that whole package has to be wrapped in something that will easily pass emissions.

 

[Micah]

Well, my goal is 200WHP - once I see how that feels, I'll decide if I want more. The components being used in my setup will be capable of more boost if I decide to do it. Also - I am on an automatic, and I will not beat on my tranny. I will not Neutral Drop it ever. I may use the E-brake to launch, but I'm keeping the stock look of my car.

Between the high flow cat, and the piggyback - emissions won't be a problem.

 

[Jeph]

Heh

once I see how that feels, I'll decide if I want more

you know boost is addictive right? Once you get used to it at the PSI you're at, you'll always want more. Thats why so many people blow engines, they think they can turn it up, but the car can't handle it
I think Nicks kit would be perfect for me due to the awesome piggyback he is using. Now if only some one would lend me 4 grand...

 

[keyserscott]

Good looks like the system Micah is getting and the one I want are very similar. I will let him test it out first and wait to see that website. How much boost will you be at Micah?

 

[Micah]

I'll probably be running two fuel maps, one at 5-6, and one at 7-8. I'll be connecting a laptop to my setup for tuning purposes, and because - well - I'm a geek.

 

[Micah]

Heh
you know boost is addictive right? Once you get used to it at the PSI you're at, you'll always want more. Thats why so many people blow engines, they think they can turn it up, but the car can't handle it
I think Nicks kit would be perfect for me due to the awesome piggyback he is using. Now if only some one would lend me 4 grand...

yeah, I know boost is addictive, but I have rediculous amounts of self control. Case in point, I started the slim-fast diet on April 1st. I was 200 lbs then, and as of this morning I am 163 lbs. I used to eat all kinds of crap, and I just stopped. I don't cheat, only drink water. No Soda, only skim milk, very little juice - and on the rare occasion I drink - it's either Vodka and Cranberry, or Miller Light. I also quit smoking cold turkey back in December.

"If you set your mind to it, you can accomplish anything" - Marty McFly

 

[Jeph]

Wow congrats on that. Thats impressive.

Tech question:
I know you can have preset maps like one for 7-8psi, and one for 9-10 psi. But if i get the kit, and a MBC, can the piggyback automatically distinguish between the boost levels, or do i have to manually set which map to use?

 

[Kooldino]

You'll have to manually set it. The piggy doesn't know boost.

 

[Jeph]

OK i could deal with that.
What are all the ways this system can be controlled?
Laptop, handheld PC,...
Will there be a handheld unit that you can just change maps with, not tune or anything, just alternate between maps

 

[Micah]

yep, pick up a cheap laptop

www.ebay.com - used

www.overstock.com - new/refurbished

 

[Jeph]

Oh i have a good laptop i could use.
I just wanted to know if there was another way to alternate between maps, because i don't want to have to pull out my laptoop everytime i want to change boost settings. I want the ease of being able to do it on the fly.

 

[HiBoost TS]

I'll probably be running two fuel maps, one at 5-6, and one at 7-8. I'll be connecting a laptop to my setup for tuning purposes, and because - well - I'm a geek.

Why would you need two maps?

Isn't the piggyback pre programed for like up to 12 psi?

Just turn the MBC up.

 

[perfworks]

You'll have to manually set it. The piggy doesn't know boost.

This is not completely correct. The only manual adjustment made is with your laptop. The boost is set to map A and the fuel and ignition curves respond accordingly. Once you go to Map B it will change fuel and igniton curves based on the boost level entered earlier.

 

[perfworks]

Why would you need two maps?

Isn't the piggyback pre programed for like up to 12 psi?

Just turn the MBC up.

This is partialy correct.
the unit will come (for most) preprogramed to 8PSI. When you turn the MBC up (if you have one) from that point you will naturally get more airflow thru the system at a given RPM that will vary from your original settings. It will compensate to a point. Think about it as a range. The unit can see boost thru the factory MAF and if it is programmed for 8 then 12 will not be so accurate. It will work but the key is to be tuned for it. Especially for ignition. This is where our unit is superior. Now the need for two maps comes in when you dont want to have to get out of the car to adjust boost manually or just want to increase it with the flick of a switch. Maybe you chose to run race gas that night at the track. All you have to do is go to map B
Its there basically for ease and comfort. Its a perk. Nothing like a riced out civic pulling up and with the flick of a switch you just went from 8psi to 12PSI , changed your Fuel and igniton curve to match the boost level. Remember that the tune map for 8 psi will be very different then with 12 psi. Thats why with just a fuel piggyback like the haltech you have to run higher octane to compensate for the lack of ignition control.

 

[Little Beavis]

So the system doesn't pay attention to boost level? I'm confused. Sorry, I must be retarted, but I was thinking that it would "know" what to do up to 15 psi or something and regardless of what I ran for my boost controller it would do it. Oh well, learn something every day.

 

[perfworks]

So the system doesn't pay attention to boost level? I'm confused. Sorry, I must be retarted, but I was thinking that it would "know" what to do up to 15 psi or something and regardless of what I ran for my boost controller it would do it. Oh well, learn something every day.

little beavis. it DOES know boost thru the increased airflow thru the MAF. What i am saying is that if you are programmed for 8 psi, going over that will need fuel and ignition correction. It will compensate yes but not optimally. It may need just a little more fuel and a bit of retard in the timing control .
BUT IF YOU PROGRAM FOR A HIGHER boost level it will go off load maps and airflow voltage thru the MAF to supply the right amount of fuel and ignition correction. THEN you will HAVE NO ISSUES AT ALL. Some people chose low boost settings. This is why i said that EVERY unit will be programmed to the individual. F/I is power on demand. Depress the throttle until you have reached your limit.
Either way you look at it it will get the job done.