Piasini Tune...where do I get this?
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Look the Piasini has shown decent gains on a stock to simi-bolted (Simi meaning no FMIC or DP) car. The problem comes when you start adding more mods to your car. The Flash can't possibly learn and adjust, it's simply imposable. There is simply ZERO data from any Piasini car running a full bolt-ons. The only car I know that has a DP reports that he lost PSI but put it off on the mods and not the DP. Which is crap if the Piasini is suppose to learn your mods 0.o
The other issue comes to customer support which is basically none at this point. Next is the cost which to me is off the charts for what you get specially considering the customer service issue.
I'm not saying the tune is a bad tune. I'm simply stating that there is no way it can grow with mods and adjust. As you add breathing mods your PSI will drop like a rock.
I'm also saying that for $30 for an MBC and $60 for a Map Clamp (or make one yourself for about $10) you can get the same thing but much cheaper. To me the SB and AP are worth the money as you get a device you can change today (SB) and one that can be changed soon (AP). On top of that you get data logging, gauges, etc. with more to come. You simply get more for your money.
Now if the Flash was like $250 then it would be worth it but not at $550 or $800 like someone else said they where quoted.
The other issue comes to customer support which is basically none at this point. Next is the cost which to me is off the charts for what you get specially considering the customer service issue.
I'm not saying the tune is a bad tune. I'm simply stating that there is no way it can grow with mods and adjust. As you add breathing mods your PSI will drop like a rock.
I'm also saying that for $30 for an MBC and $60 for a Map Clamp (or make one yourself for about $10) you can get the same thing but much cheaper. To me the SB and AP are worth the money as you get a device you can change today (SB) and one that can be changed soon (AP). On top of that you get data logging, gauges, etc. with more to come. You simply get more for your money.
Now if the Flash was like $250 then it would be worth it but not at $550 or $800 like someone else said they where quoted.
Well, I don't have a tune at all and am not a brand ***** for anybody. I do run a 3" uncatted dp and rp into the stock cat back and have a second gen MSCAI, but otherwise stock. What I want is valid info collected independently on the various flashes/tunes. I never believe any of the dyno runs and data logs the manufacturers or vendors publish because they are marketing a product.
I do believe what other members of this fourm not affiliated with the product or its vendors post on their dyno runs and data logs, especially if they are consistent with other members here, and transparent on the conditions under which the dyno was done and the logging done.
That's why I think it a good idea for Piasani to get there tuned ECU in the hands of someone fully independent to dyno and fully data log for comparison.
I have money to spend on a tune, as do others here, but repeatability of result from independent, verifiable sources will be needed to open our wallets.
I don't have a dog in the hunt, but do have money for a tune. I just want to spend my hard earned bucks wisely.
Right now it's set to 17psi. When it warmed up earlier, I had it to 19, and it holds well at 18+ (til about 5300rpm where I have it intentionally dropping to 15) without any excessive heat issues...
As I was modding, I used the Dashhawk to log quarter mile times with every upgrade. Used the same strip of flat road everytime to keep the variables as constant as possible.
At stock, I would average anywhere from 15.6 to 15.75 (89mph to 91.5mph)... with a few barely over 16... Then after being fully bolted (no DP), i was in the 15.4's... ECU does a good job controlling the engines output. Then the standback, was barely breaking 15's but with unwanted KR (as high as 6's at somepoint). And now after tons of logs and fine tuning, I'm consistently under 14.5 (best being 14.31 @ 98.18mph) with 0 KR (well... spikes of 0.4 and 0.7.. nothing really).
I'm just dying to race my brothers MS3, but we never have the chance to. and it's not like we'd make time to 'go race'. He's still stock (besides Turbosmart bpv), and when we ran the same road QM's, he was doing runs 14.3's, 14.55, one over 15 and his best at 14.22 (again, on this strip using a DH). All over the place, it all depended on his launch.
But suprisingly, from the 60ft mark to the 1/4 mark, his times averaged out at 12.4, mine at 12.3... so very interesting...
At stock, I would average anywhere from 15.6 to 15.75 (89mph to 91.5mph)... with a few barely over 16... Then after being fully bolted (no DP), i was in the 15.4's... ECU does a good job controlling the engines output. Then the standback, was barely breaking 15's but with unwanted KR (as high as 6's at somepoint). And now after tons of logs and fine tuning, I'm consistently under 14.5 (best being 14.31 @ 98.18mph) with 0 KR (well... spikes of 0.4 and 0.7.. nothing really).
I'm just dying to race my brothers MS3, but we never have the chance to. and it's not like we'd make time to 'go race'. He's still stock (besides Turbosmart bpv), and when we ran the same road QM's, he was doing runs 14.3's, 14.55, one over 15 and his best at 14.22 (again, on this strip using a DH). All over the place, it all depended on his launch.
But suprisingly, from the 60ft mark to the 1/4 mark, his times averaged out at 12.4, mine at 12.3... so very interesting...
Yes AWD... I sometimes wish (sometimes, Stretch) it was a FWD. Only when Stretch starts yappin' away about his FWD (jerkit) and it's benefits (gas mileage, bit faster, lighter), am I glad I have an AWD
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I owe wisniaPl an apology regarding the "from a dig" observation - I was wrong and admit that.
But it was his post, not nypest, and here's what he said:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4344691&postcount=7
You all can draw your own conclusions about what was posted about the 7k pull in 4th gear with a Piasani tune as a way to go from losing by 1.5 lengths to winning by one length against a modded Sti with approx. 300 whp.
So avoiding a shift from 4th to 5th at 5,500 and staying in 4th up to 7K will change the outcome from losing by 1.5 lengths to winning by one length, total difference of 2.5 car lengths? To me, and maybe it's just me, but that's a lot of power increase above 5,500 from a small turbo with huge thermal inefficiency in that rpm range. Maybe the Sti driver missed a gear on the last two runs?
BTW: A bone stock 2008 Sti runs the quarter in the mid 13's, according to the charts at the web sites of C&D and Road and Track. So how much quicker are we to assume the modded Sti was in those races? At a minimum, a one length win on a stock Sti would mean running down in the 13.3 or 13.4 second range. Might have to get into the high 12's to beat him by a length if he has much in the way of mods.
This just doesn't add up.
I remain skeptical.
Just one opinion.
I can believe that.... maybe 50HP for sure. As long as the turbo can still produce 16+psi over 5500rpm cause at stock it just drops off at that point (around 11 I believe??). I know for a fact that the CX7 turbo can't produce any higher than 14psi over 5600rpm.... smaller inlet and outlet....
To me it seems obvious that whoever is behind the piasani tune has no interest in making money or selling his or her product. Either that or the tune is crap.
Over the past year many people have asked for a legit dyno test. Always some sort of excuse. Im busy, need more mods, people on these forums are jerks. . . always something. This isn't the only forum this has taken place on either. If the tune lived up to the hype than there would be dyno charts on every forum. Nobody just sits in a hole with a brilliant idea especially when there is money to be made.
Over the past year many people have asked for a legit dyno test. Always some sort of excuse. Im busy, need more mods, people on these forums are jerks. . . always something. This isn't the only forum this has taken place on either. If the tune lived up to the hype than there would be dyno charts on every forum. Nobody just sits in a hole with a brilliant idea especially when there is money to be made.
are you ******* stupid or cant read i said there is thread somewhere on this or other forum that is 1 year old everything is explained about piasini....
Well I appreciate that remark.
There is another thread on this forums where I have asked questions and never recieved answers. I was wanting to buy this tune but nobody helped me. After reading what has been posted I have learned that the piasani tune "adjusts" and has great gains over stock.
I even started my own piasini tune thread . . .
All I want is a dyno result and / or data log so I can see KR / boost / etc. Im not willing to spend over 500 bucks on what someone tells me. I need hard evidence. Im sorry if that makes me "******* stupid."
There is another thread on this forums where I have asked questions and never recieved answers. I was wanting to buy this tune but nobody helped me. After reading what has been posted I have learned that the piasani tune "adjusts" and has great gains over stock.
I even started my own piasini tune thread . . .
All I want is a dyno result and / or data log so I can see KR / boost / etc. Im not willing to spend over 500 bucks on what someone tells me. I need hard evidence. Im sorry if that makes me "******* stupid."
I'm with Coyfish.... Really, if we could just see some dynos, and full throttle logs showing KR, AFR, Boost, Throttle Position, RPM, Fuel Pressure (for me anyway) along with a dyno to back up the claims, then I'll support it....
and 240ka.... I'd still like to know what your basing this statement on???
got it.....
Its good that you are so critical and I would like to hear your unbaised impression of the logs and charts. I mean if you see anything that's not good from the logs and ap or sb are better options then ill go with one of those. I just want the most for my money and the flash looks promising. But if not, I have no probs with going to the others
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