Perception is reality but the MS3 may be the best balanced car Ive ever driven

nobody really cares, I just thought it was odd that you wanted to state numbers, and now the numbers dont matter?

No, I said the numbers didn't matter earlier in this thread, but someone else wanted to quibble and asked for the articles. I posted three links for each car, in each the IS300 had better braking than the MS3 - I didn't realize when I posted them that one was simply a regurgitation of the other. In the end, I REALLY don't care, I've driven both cars hard, I know which one was more fun to drive.

Red - I had an E30 and an E36 325is. BMW lost me with the E46 cars, just refined all the fun out of them in my opinion. I like the MS3's "visceral" driving experience by comparison.
 
are you talking about the reg 3-series for the E46 or M3. if M3 i still love the E46 M3. im lost on the E92 M3 which i find to be damn ugly
 
Guess you want to quibble, so...

Still quibbling, only one site tests both and it shows a one foot difference. Without equivelent testing on both from the same sites it doesn't matter. See, here's two from the same site that show the ms3 ahead until they go with gumball's for tires.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...m_road_test+t-sporty_yet_reliable+page-4.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ce/sport_compacts/2007_mazdaspeed_3_road_test

Also, if you don't believe that a direct comparison of staight line performance from starting to stopping is credible, you've got a screw loose.
 
Red - I had an E30 and an E36 325is. BMW lost me with the E46 cars, just refined all the fun out of them in my opinion. I like the MS3's "visceral" driving experience by comparison.

An E30 - cool! What'd that weigh? 2800 lbs or less?
I had a "roundel" magazine subscription for a bit and tons of folks were saying the same - the E46 was the start of the bloat and a lot wanted off the boat.

Every new 3-series since the E36 has come out with more grunt from nearly the same displacement but then you'd see the car was 300-400 lbs heavier and even more expensive.

"uh, thanks?" was always the feeling I had.

Visceral is a good description for our cars.
here's one other +... (no I'm not a fan-boy for our cars, but while were on the subject of +'s...)

everyone had something to prove when I was driving my red 4-door 325...
mini-vans, trucks, other sedans, sports compacts...
I know all of us BMW lovers are considers A$$holes, but after 3 years of driving it (and it was 16 years old when I sold it for nearly what I bought it for), I think I understand why - people just don't like people that drive nice cars in a sporty manner. they act like its a rub on them at every single turn.
Frankly I couldn't wait to get rid of the thing just so that every damn stop-light wasn't some social-ranking contest.
f-ing ridiculous.

The thing I love most about the MS3's has got to be that most people drive normally around it. Most people don't care or notice that is says mazdaspeed3 on the back in little letters.

often, the one's that do just look and see that I'm middle-age and don't even care to race me or go for "the kill"...

it kicks when it needs to and otherwise stays undercover.

good stuff.
 
i just hate bimmer owners cuz i've always wanted one. but then again i can say the same for porsche, ferrari, and aston martin owners

and bmw's are like a dime a dozen around here, so i often find myself hating. and im not sure about the E46 codes and whatnot, but i would looooooove to find me an older m3 (that was like 240hp), or an M (that was the z3 with the hatchback)
 
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