P5 NA Build - Target 175whp

i do have a microtech but its not installed yet.

I am also worried about stock ecu controlling this engine, that why im not driving it unless i have to until i can plan a 'install the MT weekend'.
 
Tried to get a vid/sound clip of idle on my digital camera but the mic couldn't pic up how low the rumble was. When i played it back before getting ready to post it, it sounded like listening to a car idle through a 100ft long tube underwater.

Still trying to plan out time to install the MT...
 
Jeff, I don't think the car has enough oil pressure for the car to run at 7500 rpms on a nightly biases
 
ya we go excited there for a minute. without a stand alone you aint hitting 7500.
 
Some piggybacks(like my emanage ultimate) will do it. My rev limit has been reset to 7500. But my engine is an FP with a stock rod ratio of 1.52 iirc.
 
jeff, hence why i said NA 7500rpm is a LOT harder on the rods than FI at 6500rpm

+1 for that... the mean piston speed (which you can't do anything about as its a function of stroke and nothing else) on its own is scary as hell on the FS at 7000rpm.... then the piston acceleration ....... Yeah...7500rpm isn't a cake walk...its definantly doable (FSZE does it does it not?) but it the forces involved are pretty mind boggling.......
 
We don't have the oil system to provide that type of pressure at those rpms.

the FSZE spins at that kind of engine speed - i highly doubt its got some vastly different oil system.

Yes the oil system sucks....but the oil system is the least of your worries at spastic RPM with stock rods.... the rods will fail due to the insane piston acceleration long before the oil system makes them bite the big one.

Oil system is important IF you have rods that will support high engine speed.... because the oil system becomes important in supporting continuous 8000rpm operation....
 
the FSZE spins at that kind of engine speed - i highly doubt its got some vastly different oil system.

Yes the oil system sucks....but the oil system is the least of your worries at spastic RPM with stock rods.... the rods will fail due to the insane piston acceleration long before the oil system makes them bite the big one.

Oil system is important IF you have rods that will support high engine speed.... because the oil system becomes important in supporting continuous 8000rpm operation....

Not to thread jack but what are the main things to build for if you want a high sprung motor. strong Rods, valve springs, and high presure oil pump?
 
Not to thread jack but what are the main things to build for if you want a high sprung motor. strong Rods, valve springs, and high presure oil pump?

highly strung NA?

obviously capacity is what you want.... be that cubes, or swept capacity. Being limited to a relatively small engine, swept capacity is what you have to work with....that means spinning the motor quickly.

First and foremost, you need to make sure the engine can PHYSICALLY handle the stresses of high RPM operation. Generally that means a rod to stroke ratio of 1.6 or higher (although 1.5 would be better than nothing) to keep piston acceleration in check, and short stroke (which we don't have) to keep mean piston speed under control.

Mean piston speed has another side effect - if it is too high, you can actually have a situation where the piston out-runs the flame front during combustion. Fuel burns at a specific speed - go faster than that by 30 degrees after top dead center, and you get no power.

Once the engine can physically handle the stress (again, i'll stress conrods.... 3 engine builders have told me that a rod that will support 600hp at 7000rpm could potentially fly apart at 200hp and 9200rpm because of the forces involved), and you have fuel that can keep up with the piston speed (or a reduced stroke that negates the need for better fuel), you need to insure that everything else can support the speed.....that means upgrading the oil system, improving the fuel system, machining things to far tighter tolerences, and balancing the rotating assembly to the extreme..... oh and of course, high compression + high engine speed will require a fairly potent ignition system....

Then you've got the intake and exhaust to deal with....you have to have enough capacity to flow in order for the engine to breathe at high speed.

I've posted all of this stuff in one way or another elsewhere on the board, and there are some pretty big conversations about the technical issues in the installshield threads...
 
Back to the build.....


MT should start going in this weekend! Hopefully there will be a few people around if I have questions. (which I will!)
 
the FSZE spins at that kind of engine speed - i highly doubt its got some vastly different oil system.

Yes the oil system sucks....but the oil system is the least of your worries at spastic RPM with stock rods.... the rods will fail due to the insane piston acceleration long before the oil system makes them bite the big one.

Oil system is important IF you have rods that will support high engine speed.... because the oil system becomes important in supporting continuous 8000rpm operation....

sorry to thread jack again. does anyone have any information or a link to info on the fsze oiling system? Maybe I just suck with the search button, but if the ze is spinning 7500rpm from the factory n/a whats stopping the fsde? I was under the impression they had the same rods.

good to hear the mt is going in!
 
sorry to thread jack again. does anyone have any information or a link to info on the fsze oiling system? Maybe I just suck with the search button, but if the ze is spinning 7500rpm from the factory n/a whats stopping the fsde? I was under the impression they had the same rods.

good to hear the mt is going in!

i'm just theorizing... if it has the same rods, same head, same cams (well, not the same as the US cams, but same as the aussie cams) and so forth, stands to reason it runs the same oiling system.

Poor fuel would be 1 thing stopping the DE from reving to 7500rpm (fuel burn speed at insane piston velocities, detonation, etc etc). That and the reliability factor... motors in japan are replaced more often then most places in the world.... so 10 years of reliable operation without rebuild isn't really a consideration.

The oil system is one weak link in this motor...but its not the ONLY weak link, nore the weakest link on a stock motor. On a built race engine it probably becomes the weakest link...

anyway....good news that the MT is going in... can't wait to see some dyno figgures jimmy :)
 
MT isnt going in this weekend... always trying to balance hobby with real life and it looks like real life wins out this weekend. Stay tuned!
 
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