Amazing how the people you talk to are suddenly the most knowledgeable around. Plenty of "pro" muffler shows that I know have guys working there that couldn't bend 3.5 if their life depended on it. Unless you hear the sound and don't like it, comments by somebody else who hasn't, means just about nothing. Please explain what the ECU is going to keep track of? There is nothing keeping track of intake temp post TMIC so what exactly is gonna show.
OK so a CBE is pointless so what about the TMIC
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He said it was something to think about and that the ECU can keep memory of these sort of things but obviously he isnt a speed tech or anything and we got to talking about things other then mufflers at a muffler shop, lol.
I would have to strongly consider the point of the TMIC altering psi and both HP/torque as being something that the ECU is would and should pick up on. The issue is that he has a point about finding out if it retains the memory in the system some how. I had not thought about this but it makes perfect sense unless someone can tell me other wise. I thought when you unplug the battyer the ECU resets but am not sure if other parameters are stored.
These guys have been at the same shop for atleat 30yrs so yes I would call them pros. He didnt even try to sell me anything since he said it would do nothing for performance and possibly even decrease performance. All he could tell me is that what was under this car is very clean and as free flowing as he could make it just minus some cabin droan which he could add if thats what I wanted.
I would have to strongly consider the point of the TMIC altering psi and both HP/torque as being something that the ECU is would and should pick up on. The issue is that he has a point about finding out if it retains the memory in the system some how. I had not thought about this but it makes perfect sense unless someone can tell me other wise. I thought when you unplug the battyer the ECU resets but am not sure if other parameters are stored.
These guys have been at the same shop for atleat 30yrs so yes I would call them pros. He didnt even try to sell me anything since he said it would do nothing for performance and possibly even decrease performance. All he could tell me is that what was under this car is very clean and as free flowing as he could make it just minus some cabin droan which he could add if thats what I wanted.
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Kosh said:
Why would you use VTA with a blow off valve on your MS3? That would mess with your A/F reading from the MAF and put more fuel than there is air in the engine, and most likely result in poor performance...... everyone has pretty much stated that these cars (MS6 and MS3) should be run in recirc .....not VTA....
Yes the VTA sounds nice, but serves no purpose with these cars where the MAF is right there with the Intake...... Just a thought........
I personally plan to go the FMIC route with my MS6 in the future.......and black anodized for that "stealth" look too (silly) so I'd rather save up for the FMIC when it comes out then spend the money on the ETS TMIC, even though it's a great IC according to those who have it, I'd still much rather go the FMIC route. CPE's FMIC seems to have almost no lag according to their statement release.
Ryz said:
I agree with Ryz..... unless you mount a TMIC and it throws a CEL, there isn't going to be anything in the ECU that screams out to the dealership technicians "hey my owner changed my intercooler to a better performing one!!!"
Meh, not really, I fail to see how it's going to do that........ unless the TMIC threw a CEL, which you can have cleared if you have scanner, the dealer isn't really going to know any better......... I'm sorry but sounds like that muffler guy was talking BS(blah) , that's like asking a CHEMIST about Quantum Physics and believing whatever he explains to you. Tell him to stick to mufflers (chair)
Koenig said:
I meant to say venting or compressor bypass. I wouldn't ever waste my money on any aftermarket bov in the first place. VTA isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is. You won't run that rich for very long at all. People get too worked up after hearing something and blow this stuff out of proportion. I don't know anyone who has fouled their plugs or destroyed their cat running vta and some people on here have been doing it for a while. It isn't the best thing in the world but not as terrible as some people make it out to be.
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Koenig said:
Well I have no scanner or anything so I am still not so sure I want to risk this. I would like to see what it can do for the car to be faster but then again I dont race it or drive it hard much.
Like I said the guy was throwing out ideas and his point was that basically he has heard about these cars and simply said for what it is stock its pretty bad ass. Sure there are things to make it faster and I want to but then again I like going to the dealer to have oil changes and tire rotations. If I do this s*** it means no more dealer trips with it bolted on.
I will think about it longer and just not run out and buy it ASAP and see what happens. It could be another $500 payment on the car too which means I will owe less and can get out of it easier when the time comes. Just some things to think about but I am with you on the ECU thing I am pretty sure when you throw a code just unplugging the battery erases it unless it gets tripped again.
whitey4311 said:
do a search for members who have had the ETS put on their cars or go to another forum like ********** and look around........ the TMIC is GARBAGE from factory, mine gets hot after 15 minutes of "daily commute" driving, and I'm not getting on the engine, that's horse pucky......... the ETS has been shown to give better performance and cooling.... I would just rather go the FMIC route than another TMIC, I never liked the TMIC on Subarus so I definitely don't like it on this car.
and Kosh I'm sure you have some valid points, but it's been told by professional builders that doing a VTA is pointless for the car, and in most cases (maybe not all) can hurt performance......... You might not damage your car having more fuel than air in the engine chamber but prolonged effect of that can't be good for anyone......... plus you're wasting all that unburnt fuel when it could be used to give you more gains............ just my point of view.
But Yeah, you should at least consider a better BOV than the stock one if you plan to mod the car.......... it's been shown/proven by other members and the tuner companies for the MS6 and MS3 that when you start modding and getting more power from your car, the factory BOV starts to leak and doesn't hold the boost pressure well. Just something to think about I guess........
If you are going for a turbo upgrade in the future and if you need more power its the only way,then you need a FMIC without a doubt.Stick an ATP turbo kit with downpipe,tial blow off valve ,with EXEDE management and 3.5" FMIC,you will get 400-420whp,however you will need 245/40/18 in the front and back for sure with 45-48mm offset.This should not be more than 6k,i mean the engine makeover only.
(blah)PS Tial make the best quality blow off valves in the world not Greddy,HKS bla bla bla.
(blah)PS Tial make the best quality blow off valves in the world not Greddy,HKS bla bla bla.
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