OK so a CBE is pointless so what about the TMIC

[whitey4311]

I am not saying that it would hurt the engine or turbo at all I am asking if it does or could. I realize the ETS wont due to its simple job of cooling air but what if it were deffective or failed could it in some way damage s***?

I still would like to know if anyone one feels a big difference at all?

 

[Kosh]

I am not saying that it would hurt the engine or turbo at all I am asking if it does or could. I realize the ETS wont due to its simple job of cooling air but what if it were deffective or failed could it in some way damage s***?

I still would like to know if anyone one feels a big difference at all?

Short answer, no it won't hurt your engine or turbo. If the dealer tells you it is the cause of the problem and won't explain how it happened then you deserve to have your money taken. Dealers like that are depending on the customer being ignorant and believing whatever they tell them. You can always go to a different dealer or independent garage and see if they give you the same answer.

If you get a product that is defective then it won't be covered by mazda. I'm not sure how accountable the aftermarket product manufacturer or vendor would be in this case. Maybe Ken or someone can answer that question but I don't have a clue. I'm trying to see what defect could be present in an intercooler that would cause it to damage your engine or turbo. It would maybe cause it to not work at its full potential but as far as damaging something I don't see it happening. Maybe if there was metal shavings or packaging materials in the IC when you install it that could damage it but I doubt that would happen.

In the case of the Mazdaspeed CAI I know there is a warrenty on the product by Mazda so if it is defective they will service it as long as it was installed correctly and as long as you didn't cause the damage to the product.

There are Dyno sheets posted on vendor sites that show pretty nice low end torque gains. Other people have posted all over this forum they notice acceleration is much quicker and turbo response is enhanced by the TMIC upgrade. They say the difference is pretty much night and day with this product.

 

[SSMS3]

But if they made note of it and you come in later on with a blown turbo guess what, lol.

I really want to do the ETS upgrade but would take it off for dealer trips I suppose.

Did it make a noticable difference?

I meant it's worth the risk of modifying because IMO the ETS is not going to hurt anything. I'm willing to accept responsibility and pay out of pocket to fix something that breaks as a result of me modifying the car. You gotta pay to play

Yes, the ETS unit made a noticable difference. Immediately noticed the car lights the tires easier at any rpm and pulls harder, no question

 

[whitey4311]

Damn it now I want to buy one, lol.

I suppose a deffect would mean that there is lost boost or something and the car would run like s*** but then that would mean I just get a new TMIC since Ken said they stand behind their product.

Well looks like I have my money set on this bad ass so when I do it I will take pics and let you guys know what I think of it.

From the pics or from those who have it do you think the boot to the hood will seal up to the TMIC plate or do I need to add weather strips to seal it up better?

I liked going to the dealer but I dont know that I will now if I have this thing on there. I suppose if I am going for oil and tire rotation the grease donkey isnt a mechanic and wont know what he is looking at. I doubt he would report it but if I had warranty work to be done then yeah I would just remove it to save headache.

 

[Kosh]

Damn it now I want to buy one, lol.

I suppose a deffect would mean that there is lost boost or something and the car would run like s*** but then that would mean I just get a new TMIC since Ken said they stand behind their product.

Well looks like I have my money set on this bad ass so when I do it I will take pics and let you guys know what I think of it.

From the pics or from those who have it do you think the boot to the hood will seal up to the TMIC plate or do I need to add weather strips to seal it up better?

I liked going to the dealer but I dont know that I will now if I have this thing on there. I suppose if I am going for oil and tire rotation the grease donkey isnt a mechanic and wont know what he is looking at. I doubt he would report it but if I had warranty work to be done then yeah I would just remove it to save headache.

Here is what I see happening. You go on protege garage and order the 3" or 3.5" tmic. Wait for delivery. Install TMIC. Take your car out for a drive. Come back on the forum and say "Holy s*** this is the best ******* mod you can do to your car everyone go get one right now" Fast forward you die an old man without seeing a single blown engine or turbo in your life.

 

[whitey4311]

LOL, good one man.

Ken said that they onyl will sell the 3" now since there is no gain for the 3.5 and it just had fit issues and rubs.

Pssst he has one on ebay with a "make an offer"

will see if I can get a few bucks off.

 

[Kosh]

LOL, good one man.

Ken said that they onyl will sell the 3" now since there is no gain for the 3.5 and it just had fit issues and rubs.

Pssst he has one on ebay with a "make an offer"

will see if I can get a few bucks off.

Did you ask about manufacturer warrenty of the IC?

 

[Captain KRM P5]

LOL, good one man.

Ken said that they onyl will sell the 3" now since there is no gain for the 3.5 and it just had fit issues and rubs.

thats old news - they are selling three core sizes; the 3inch, the 3.25inch and the 3.5inch. originally it was only going to be 3.5 inch but we had rubbing issues on the ms6. then it was going to be no more 3.5 and just the 3.25 exclusively. we found that the 3.5 inch models do not have the same issues on the ms3 that they do on the ms6, with the exception of the shroud on the intercooler being too long initially for the ms3 (would tap the firewall). those issues have all since been worked through and now all three options are still available to people.

 

[whitey4311]

Ugh help me get this straight so I know what to order.

I am not sure what size to get and I dont plan on changing any mounts to accomodate the 3.5 because I think you need based on your web site. It also talks about end tanks and such so I really dont know what to choose or what the differences are for performance.

Is there any difference to the sizes and which one should I get? I basically plan on the CAI that I have and this TMIC to be my only upgrades since they are simple bolt ons that make great gains per the dyno charts and word of mouth.

Also is the ETS TMIC warranted against deffects?

Also on your web site it says free hose upgrade, what is that? Will the stock hoses not work?

Oops just realized you are updating the hoses but I plan on buying in about a month so hopefully they will be ready by then if I actually do need them.

 

[funkyman]

What he basically wants to know is,what the difference in lbs torque is,between your 3.25" and 3.5".
By the way did our cars have oil coolers or not?

 

[Ryz]

Exactly, is there any real benefit.

 

[whitey4311]

Well he Pm'ed me and said he suggests the 3.5 core as the best for least heat soak and best flow but I thought you have to upgrade the tranny mount to use it.

He also said there is a lifetime warranty as I figured since nothing should break on this.

Will the 3.5 inch TMIC fit on our cars with out the upgraded mount?

I also want to know about the hoses if I need the upgraded ones that arent ready yet or if the stock ones will work?

My guess is that the 3.25 should be pretty darn close to what I need and cant differ much from another 1/4 inch. I have read the 3.5 is a close fit with some rubbing at the corners so I likely will get that 3.25. I dont know what the added "end tanks" upgrade is either but I really want to understand this before I place an order.

Whats even more odd is at the ETS web site they dont give an option you onyl get the 3inch TMIC black or plain and thats it. No speak of end tanks or different sizes so I just dont get it.
http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_42_50_51&products_id=119

I am going to call ETS tomorrow and get this all answered since I am tired of getting different info that doesnt match. I am not sure if Protegegarage is doing their own fabs and add ons to it or what but there is a reason ETS doesnt list anything other then the 3inch core as an option.

 

[funkyman]

Black would look boring and would heat up much more.

 

[94jedi]

Black would look boring and would heat up much more.

depends, if it's anodized, then retaining heat wouldn't be a problem. painting or powder-coating would cause heat retention.

 

[whitey4311]

depends, if it's anodized, then retaining heat wouldn't be a problem. painting or powder-coating would cause heat retention.

Thats what I figured.

Well Ken PM'ed again and says that they all fit with no issues even on stock motor mounts. The hoses are fine that are stock and the upgrade was just a plus for the deal I guess.

I am still going to call ETS today and be sure but if they tell me there isnt much difference then I will go with the 3inch core to be sure there are no fit issues.

 

[94jedi]

you have to consider how far you're going to mod the car. if you ever plan on swapping out the turbo, I'd go for the 3.5. if you plan to retain the stock turbo, go for the 3.25.

 

[whitey4311]

This will be my last upgrade from what I can tell. I may be talked into a turbo back one day but doubt it.

I dont want any rubbing of the 3.5 and Nutari said that there was rub marks in the hood housing from the 3.5 and that he would go smaller.

What are end tanks? There is an option for the 3inch with end tanks but I dont know what that is. WHy doesnt ETS offer any of this stuff? I am thinking there were fit issues and they went back to the 3inch and left it there.

 

[94jedi]

This will be my last upgrade from what I can tell. I may be talked into a turbo back one day but doubt it.

I dont want any rubbing of the 3.5 and Nutari said that there was rub marks in the hood housing from the 3.5 and that he would go smaller.

What are end tanks? There is an option for the 3inch with end tanks but I dont know what that is. WHy doesnt ETS offer any of this stuff? I am thinking there were fit issues and they went back to the 3inch and left it there.

Sounds like you should be fine with the 3.25 provided there aren't any fitment issues. The endtanks are the portion of the IC where the air comes in and goes out. the "core" is the center part that the air passes through and the fins "pull" the heat out of the air. So basically, you have heated air coming into one end and the cooled air coming out the other. That's a simple explanation, no need for much else. ETS is the manufacturer, the other place is the dealer/re-seller. ETS makes everything, and sells stuff directly but they probably do more business through their re-sellers so there isn't much need to be too detailed on their site.

 

[whitey4311]

So would I want the end tanks for the extra $30? Is there any gain over jus the 3.25 core that is normal?

 

[whitey4311]

OK here is what I learned today:

1) Called ETS and they have a much better deal direct then anywhere on the net with a difference of $50 savings. They ran out of 12x14 cores and have 12x12 which they say will still be same performance on this car. he told me that vendors have been begging for more supply but they are working on it since they are down on parts. This means that unless there is hold over I am not sure how some vendors are offering these TMIC's. They suggest the 3.5 inch deep core with the Corksport tranny mount to limit engine movement which combined with the TMIC is a great improvement all around.

2) went to a pro custom muffler shop where they said to leave stock alone after looking at in. They said that they could sell me something to make more noise but from the looks of the stock set up there is no room for gain "legally". He said that he would be basically selling me something to make more cabin noise and a certain "tunner" sound but suggests that it would be stupid and worthless unless thats what I wanted, lol.

3) Muffler guy had a very good point about the TMIC gains. He said that he worked at a service dept for a dealership and knows about people modding s*** and changing it back to come in for warranty work. He said what those people didnt realize is that bolting that TMIC on will register to the ECU and keep track of it so that when you bring it in stock they can look back and see something was done to the car at some point and you are ******!

4) I really wanted to do something cool to my car but now I am sort of back to my old way of thinking that maybe its not the best idea to mess with s*** thats under warranty.

Any way guys its all FYI and I still am undecided on what to do until I learn more about this.