Non smoking household???

[Green01LX]

I dont understand why some of the stuff on ebay says: "Non smoking household". Who cares? Does it damage electronics? I mean, I understand that smoke is dust, but come on... I can understand some things like antique dolls or something, but some of this stuff is pretty stupid in my opinion.

 

[redwagon02]

I prefer stuff from non-smoking households myself.

 

[RobMP5]

Its because that almost all the non-smokers in the world are trying to get rid of all the smokers. They just won't leave us be, over time they have gotten smoking banned from movies theaters, mall, and most recently bars/restaurants. I can understand why there shouldn't be smoking near a hospital or something like that but come on. Next they will try to ban people from smoking in their own cars and houses. What does every non-smoker say to a smoker? Dude, those are gonna kill you one day, BIG DEAL, if I quit now maybe I can live forever. I have a better chance of getting killed from mcdonalds or dodging crazy ass people in my P5. Ok, I'm done, I have had that built up for quite some time and feel better to have let it out.

 

[fkmp5]

non-smoking household because smoke can cause discoloration and also to a non-smoker they can smell the smoke settled into the product.

as far as electronics go: do you mean like circuit boards or like a monitor? i know my father's monitor is pretty stained up and yellow looking (the case) because he smokes there in his computer room. whenever i go over to my parents house i can smell it as soon as i walk in the door and can smell it on myself after i leave.

 

[girth]

Yup, it's because of the SMELL. You can always tell when something (anything) has been in a smoking household - it stinks like smoke residue.

 

[rktktpaul]

That discoloration you see on stuff is a layer of tar that settles out of the cigarette smoke. So think about this layer of tar just coating your circuit board, and all of your resistors and capacitors trying to throw heat off generated by current passing through them. But guess what - it can't do it efficiently cause its got a layer of tar trapping the heat in the component. So the only thing that can occur is that components fail prematurely cause they can't release as much heat as they need.

Hey, RobMP5, I hear ya man. We're all gonna die someday, so WTF, huh. Thought the same thing as you man; then my doctor told me on my 42nd birthday that I had bladder cancer because of smoking. It was pretty amazing how I suddenly had my last cigarette on my way to see him; didn't want another one after that visit! He told me for years that this was going to happen, and I always said "Yeah, yeah, yeah". Well he was right, it did happen. And he gave me choice right then and there; he said that I had a choice of quitting smoking or pissing in a bag taped to my leg; oh, and hopefully the cancer didn't spread outside of the bladder. And then there's the chemotheray and radiation to look forward to - good times!

I know you're probably going to blow this off and say it'll never happen to you and who cares and all that BS, but I felt the exact same way as you did - and when it did happen to me, turns out I really did care.

I truly hope you don't have find out the hard way man.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

Its because that almost all the non-smokers in the world are trying to get rid of all the smokers. They just won't leave us be, over time they have gotten smoking banned from movies theaters, mall, and most recently bars/restaurants. I can understand why there shouldn't be smoking near a hospital or something like that but come on. Next they will try to ban people from smoking in their own cars and houses. What does every non-smoker say to a smoker? Dude, those are gonna kill you one day, BIG DEAL, if I quit now maybe I can live forever. I have a better chance of getting killed from mcdonalds or dodging crazy ass people in my P5. Ok, I'm done, I have had that built up for quite some time and feel better to have let it out.

LOL. Nobody gives a s*** how many more years you'll live if you quit smoking. Its how many years you're taking off our lives by smoking in public places around us. Remember 2nd hand smoke? Yeah. There ya go. (This coming from a guy that smokes occaisionally when he drinks).

Chris

 

[pingdum]

LOL. Nobody gives a s*** how many more years you'll live if you quit smoking. Its how many years you're taking off our lives by smoking in public places around us. Remember 2nd hand smoke? Yeah. There ya go. (This coming from a guy that smokes occaisionally when he drinks).

Chris

So you're a communist/socialist who bases all his actions on how they will affect others? Then I guess you're anti-car. The pollution from your car is doing much more to ruin my health than 2^nd hand smoke. Or there's the chance that you'll lose control and run me over. I think you shouldn't drive because that puts my health at risk. A free society is all about putting up with the bad habits of others.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

So you're a communist/socialist who bases all his actions on how they will affect others? Then I guess you're anti-car. The pollution from your car is doing much more to ruin my health than 2<SUP>nd</SUP> hand smoke. Or there's the chance that you'll lose control and run me over. I think you shouldn't drive because that puts my health at risk. A free society is all about putting up with the bad habits of others.

I sincerely doubt that car pollution takes off more life than being in a confined area with a bunch of 2nd hand cigarette smoke. Prove me wrong. Show me some studies, direct comparisons. I'm all about a free society. Don't tell me who I am. But cigarettes are an evil substance, that profit large corporations and the government. They profit on killing people. Hows that for spin?

Chris

 

[Whukes]

But cigarettes are an evil substance, that profit large corporations and the government. They profit on killing people. Hows that for spin?

I smoke between 1-2 packs a day. Lets say that 50% of the cost of a pack of cigs is tax money. Now for the sake of my argument im going to smoke 2 packs a day. WHen i bought my pack this morning it was $3.24. So at 2 packs a day for 365 days thats $12,414. Holy s*** I just paid an extra 12 grand in taxes this year. Now my taxes go to what exactly? Well the governemnt. And the government does what? Pays for schools, roads, cops, bombs, and other s***.

In 2000, approximately 23.3 percent of adults were current smokers (http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/research_data/adults_prev/mmwr5129_highlights.htm). At the time of writing this the estimated population of the US is 293,208,421 (http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/popclock). Now that makes 68,317,562 smokers. Ok so lets say everyone of those people buys a pack of cigs every other day. This accounts for people who smoke less and people who smoke more. That makes 12,467,955,065 packs of cigs a year. Lets say they cost $2 a pack (WHICH IS LOW). That would make ~12,467,955,065 in tax money from cigs in one year. (is my math right someone check that).

How's that for spin?

 

[DooMer_MP3]

Exactly. You can spin it any way you like. I disagreed with pingdums spin on car pollution, and still do. Cars are produced to enhance peoples' lives. Sure, people abuse them by driving 3 blocks to the drug store when they could get off their lazy asses and walk, or by buying a 12mpg SUV, or by racing and killing others etc. Cigarettes are produced for no reason other than to get you addicted, and profit the maker. There is really nothing good about them. Sure, they make tax money, but then one could spin it on paying for the very s*** they don't support (the war, etc).

Look, I smoked up to a half-pack a day for a year or two, and have almost quit, but still can't kick the habit when I have a few drinks. I think they're evil.

Either way, this is so off topic from the original post, and from my original reply, which merely pointed out that smoking bans in restaurants, theaters, malls etc, aren't to try and make the smoker healthy, its to keep the 2nd hand smoke away from those who choose not to engage in the habit - Which I believe is reasonable. And its not like I stamp peoples cigarettes out when they light up in front of me. A lot of my friends smoke, and I don't try and stop them.

Chris

 

[Stealth5]

my friends smoke, i dont. if we go to a restaurant or something, ill sit with them in the smoking section. i can deal with the smoke, but i dont really think that people should be able to smoke in all public places. cigarettes really dont serve ANY purpose except to make money.
id always prefer to buy things from a non smoker. something like a dvd player or the likes i could care less. i dont have to be all up on it smelling it, but im sure it does stink to high heaven

 

[Whukes]

Exactly. You can spin it any way you like. I disagreed with pingdums spin on car pollution, and still do. Cars are produced to enhance peoples' lives. Sure, people abuse them by driving 3 blocks to the drug store when they could get off their lazy asses and walk, or by buying a 12mpg SUV, or by racing and killing others etc. Cigarettes are produced for no reason other than to get you addicted, and profit the maker. There is really nothing good about them. Sure, they make tax money, but then one could spin it on paying for the very s*** they don't support (the war, etc).

Look, I smoked up to a half-pack a day for a year or two, and have almost quit, but still can't kick the habit when I have a few drinks. I think they're evil.

Either way, this is so off topic from the original post, and from my original reply, which merely pointed out that smoking bans in restaurants, theaters, malls etc, aren't to try and make the smoker healthy, its to keep the 2nd hand smoke away from those who choose not to engage in the habit - Which I believe is reasonable. And its not like I stamp peoples cigarettes out when they light up in front of me. A lot of my friends smoke, and I don't try and stop them.

Chris

In your first post you sounded very anti-smoking thats why I went and did math. I agree with your points and I agree they are evil. Goodluck quitting, I sure as hell cant.

 

[pingdum]

I sincerely doubt that car pollution takes off more life than being in a confined area with a bunch of 2nd hand cigarette smoke. Prove me wrong. Show me some studies, direct comparisons.

OK, let's do a little scientific experiment. I'll stay in a room with 10 people chain smoking and you stay in a room with one running car. Guess who'll die first?
And cigarettes, like any other drug, do serve a purpose for those that use them. They're a stimulant, they help people think, they give people a way to calm down. Personaly, it's not a habit I partake in, but I do see a use in it for people who enjoy it. Cigarette companies are like any other big buisness, they don't care about you, just your money. I'm sure the tobacco companies would be thrilled if cigarettes wern't bad for your health.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

Argh, whatever man. I agree with a lot of things you've said in other posts, but sometimes the spin you throw on some of this stuff is crazy. How often do people sit themselves in a closed room with a running car? My guess is rarely. How often do 10 people sit in an enclosed room and chainsmoke? Daily... Be realistic here. I'm talking about realistic situations. My argument is that car pollution, which goes into the entire atmosphere, probably has less direct effect on health than being around enclosed areas with second hand smoke hanging around.

 

[pingdum]

I would still disagree with you. Many anti-smokers would too. Many beaches in Ca. are now banning smoking, and some cities are working on making smoking in parks and other outdoor places illeagal. Yet I don't see them banning cars anywhere. And also with cars you have all the factories making seat cushions, vynal dashes, etc. that are also polluting the Earth. Not to mention all the land that's been cleared for roads and parking lots. All in all, I would still say my spin is that cars are much worse for the health of the general population than cigarettes are.

 

[RobMP5]

I would still disagree with you. Many anti-smokers would too. Many beaches in Ca. are now banning smoking, and some cities are working on making smoking in parks and other outdoor places illeagal. Yet I don't see them banning cars anywhere. And also with cars you have all the factories making seat cushions, vynal dashes, etc. that are also polluting the Earth. Not to mention all the land that's been cleared for roads and parking lots. All in all, I would still say my spin is that cars are much worse for the health of the general population than cigarettes are.

(werd) I hear ya on that one. While smoking can cause lung cancer after many many years of heavy, continous use, all the cars in the world are making the destruction the ozone layer more of a health risk due to potential skin cancer from absorbing UV rays from the sun.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

(stoned) (thumb)

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

holy s*** pingdum is that real ink? if so..kickass bud.

 

[pr5owner]

there is no smoking in my house.. the smoke gets into the fabric of things and it never comes out