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http://www.g-speed.com/pbh/torque-and-hp.html
Both horsepower AND torque are needed for speed. In fact Hp is calculated by multiplying torque by the rpms and dividing that by 5252 (hp = tq x rpms / 5252). In a light car like a gutted Honda, torque isn't as important as there isn't much force needed to get the car going and the overall power to weight is ratio is usually large to begin with.
Yeah we knew this thread was about the SRT-4, YOU were the one that came in bashing everyone and spouting off about how great your SI was.
Well for one, how come true ACTUAL race cars have LOW torque and HIGH horsepower numbers? This confuses me..
And secondly, when did I come in and say how great my SI was? I came in and said it was lame how you guys don't give any other car a chance (and I included my SI WITH the cobalt SS, ion redline AND SRT-4, no where did I say anything about my SI specifically until it was brought up).. I realize a mazda forum is going to be just like my honda forum and will be biased towards their own car.. but c'mon, I can't even come in here and say one thing about ANYTHING before all I hear is how much Honda sucks, how much better the mazda is, etc etc. And the ironic thing is how I'm always the one to be blamed for it/yelled at when you guys are the ones who bring it up, every single time. I don't care if you think the SI doesn't compare with the MS3, but at least give other cars a chance to be RELEASED (srt-4..) before you make judgements.
I think the beatdown needs to stop. I haven't read everyone of his posts but, the ones I have read didn't seem offensive. There's definitely an anti-honda 'thing' on this board. I guess it has more to do with what a lot of hondas become...and less to do with what they originate as from the factory.
All I know is, this place would be pretty dull if we all agreed on the same thing. I personally like when someone from another forum comes over to voice his opinion. If all we (or any forum for that matter) do is beat that person down... the chances of this continuing are slim. (unless they're a glutton for punishment.)
Anyway, for those of you who still feel the need to trash this guy... try re-reading some of his posts (on this thread at least) with a more open mind. He's praised the MS3 and voiced his opinion on why he feels a lot of people like the Si. Unless I missed a memo... there's nothing wrong with that.
Seriously, this is the most mature and thought-out response I've seen yet. I came on here and said NOTHING about honda's specifically, and yet all I got in response was how much my honda sucks. Says a lot for the mazda community, yeah? I even came in and admitted that I like the MS3 more than my SI, yet people still feel the need to bash the honda. The pathetic part is that Honda is the leader of the sports compact, and the mazda/chevy/vw cars are trying to compete with honda. It's not the other way around - you can say it's all about availability all you want, but there's a reason why I've seen ONE mazdaspeed3 in my lifetime in person being driven around.. and the rest were sitting on the lot, while I see SI's nearly every day.
And I'll stand behind my comment about how torque isn't necessary. My SI has less than half the torque as the mazdaspeed3 does.. is naturally aspirated AND is a 2.0 vs a 2.3, and yet the MS3 still only beats it 0-60 in
approx. half a second or so. Yes.. that's quite the difference, but the way you all praise torque.. it's really not. You have 280, and we have ~140.. yet your acceleration still isn't that dramatically different. Why do you think that is? Surely having TWICE the torque, 60 more horsepower, etc etc would net a substantial acceleration difference.. but it doesn't. And to add on to my point even more, 0-60 on the SI is FAR worse of a comparison test fot the SI because all of its power is made up top, so from a standstill we suck. It's on the roll where the SI will shine a bit more.
Again, I'm not trying to make this a honda vs. mazda thread, but you all keep bringing it up. Instead of replying to this thread about why hondas suck some more.. why don't you actually post something about the SRT-4?
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