new srt-4

[ccann26]

Thought Mazda was an American owned Co anyway now that Ford owns most the shares even if it were'nt most cars are made by robots anyway right ?

 

[Donas64]

Thought Mazda was an American owned Co anyway now that Ford owns most the shares even if it were'nt most cars are made by robots anyway right ?

PWNED by the car making robots!

 

[Donas64]

Woot another G8 fan, personally I think that thing is one of the sexiest cars around.

Oh and when i do run into a new SRT4 at a light I'll certainly answer the call. My MS6 may be fat, but shes always ready.

I'm absolutly stoked about the G8. I was considering a used MS3 for my next car (about 4 years down the road) but once I saw the G8, I knew that that would be my next ride. Used of course.

So who ever buys the G8 GXP I will someday buy second hand, please go easy on the clutch would you! Thanks.

 

[staples187]

I would pick the MS3 over the new SRT4, not because that's what I bought, but because that's what I prefer. The old neon SRT4 is overrated and they're a dime a dozen. Around my area there's only 4 MS3s rolling around here. I wouldn't be exaggerating if I said I've seen over 12 SRT4s on the road. They're like the Mustang GT overrated just like the new Caliber is going to end up being, cash cheap MOPAR quality performance.

"I drive an SRT4", it's still a neon.

 

[Donas64]

I would pick the MS3 over the new SRT4, not because that's what I bought, but because that's what I prefer. The old neon SRT4 is overrated and they're a dime a dozen. Around my area there's only 4 MS3s rolling around here. I wouldn't be exaggerating if I said I've seen over 12 SRT4s on the road. They're like the Mustang GT overrated just like the new Caliber is going to end up being, cash cheap MOPAR quality performance.

"I drive an SRT4", it's still a neon.

Thats patently false. Overrated in what sense?

No one says that it has a nice interior but where it counts (performance) its absolutely not overrated.

You know all those comparison tests the MS3 is winning now, the SRT4 was winning them 4 years ago.

Give credit where credit is due. The MS3 is the undisputed king now but the NEON SRT4 pwned all comers in its class when it came out. Thats a fact.

No ones saying its not a Neon. It is a neon but its a darn quick one.

 

[I vtec do you?]

It's kind of pathetic how some of you are so narrow-minded, like the MS3 is the ONLY car to buy if you're looking for a performance compact.

Yes, the car looks like ass. Lets not kid ourselves, the MS3 is no gem either when it comes to looks. In fact, my brother wound up buying a regular 3 because he couldn't get over the ugliness of a hatch, even though he wanted performance. Looks are all relative - I love the way the MS3 looks, others think it's disgusting.

I know you guys all like to think you're the 'king' of the sports compact, but reality check.. there can never be a true winner when everyone wants something different. Sorry, that's just the way it is. If you want solid power, a low-revving engine and a utilitarian-like hatch.. then the MS3 is for you. If you want low torque, high horsepower (for an N/A 2.0) high revving coupe/sedan.. the SI is for you. If you just want cheap power and strikingly aggressive looks, than the Cobalt SS/Ion Redline is for you. Everyone has different wants.. so how can you proclaim to be king?

The new SRT-4 is nice.. but I would never get one because it looks like a sports SUV. I would never buy an SUV for spirited driving.. it should've been made a bit more sporty/aggressive looking.. I think the old SRT-4 was an amazing car for what it was.. I guess others disagree.

 

[Betelgeuse]

It's kind of pathetic how some of you are so narrow-minded, like the MS3 is the ONLY car to buy if you're looking for a performance compact.

Yes, the car looks like ass. Lets not kid ourselves, the MS3 is no gem either when it comes to looks. In fact, my brother wound up buying a regular 3 because he couldn't get over the ugliness of a hatch, even though he wanted performance. Looks are all relative - I love the way the MS3 looks, others think it's disgusting.

I know you guys all like to think you're the 'king' of the sports compact, but reality check.. there can never be a true winner when everyone wants something different. Sorry, that's just the way it is. If you want solid power, a low-revving engine and a utilitarian-like hatch.. then the MS3 is for you. If you want low torque, high horsepower (for an N/A 2.0) high revving coupe/sedan.. the SI is for you. If you just want cheap power and strikingly aggressive looks, than the Cobalt SS/Ion Redline is for you. Everyone has different wants.. so how can you proclaim to be king?

The new SRT-4 is nice.. but I would never get one because it looks like a sports SUV. I would never buy an SUV for spirited driving.. it should've been made a bit more sporty/aggressive looking.. I think the old SRT-4 was an amazing car for what it was.. I guess others disagree.

What does this thread have to do with an SI or cobalt? Sorry but those cars are in a different class. Cheap power is the ms3 and srt-4. The cobalt is a good third and the SI - last. Almost everyone regardless of taste agrees the new caliber is Fugly. I'm not saying the car is crap, it's just really really nasty looking (my opinion of course).

Regarding the ms3's looks you said 'let's not kid ourselves'? I love the hatch look a lot more than the sedan. But I agree looks are subjective. As for there never being a true winner - yes there can always be a winner when it comes to raw performance. Performance isn't subjective. The SI is weak, deal with it.

 

[redspeed]

(flame2)(flame2)(flame2)(flame2)(flame2)

 

[misbehave]

.....

I do agree that the HHR is ugly no no amount of SS badging will ever make me want to buy that thing.

GM should sell all their HHR that are left in their lots to UK.
I am sure they will make good use of them.
This is why:

HHR:

London Taxi:

 

[misbehave]

While I appreciate the time/effort that went into creating this... it's patently ridiculous! Simply change the gender of the people pictured above and your argument holds no water. Let's see... do I want to drive a car that looks like a wimpy, albeit good-looking guy or some jacked-up dude with roid-rage?

All I know is, the new SRT may not have the clean lines of an exotic sports car. But so what? Not every car has to be drop-dead gorgeous. In fact, some (myself included) actually prefer cars (like the Element, last gen WRX and even Hummer) which certainly would never win a beauty contest... but are at least different and "cool" in their own unique way.

Most of us are obviously fans of imports. Why else would we own a Mazda (or belong to a Mazda board) At the same time, I seriously doubt any of us would kick a Corvette, Viper or Mustang GT out of bed. While this new SRT obviously isn't in the same league as those cars, I feel we should still appreciate it for what it is... just like we do with those cars. Until recently, the Vettes interior was pure crap. Did anyone give a s***? Not really... the car still drove about as well as the exotics (costing twice as much) it competed with. To a certain degree, this car is no different. So why isn't it getting ANY respect?

A point that needs to be hammered home is the fact that, despite the perception, this car proportionately very similar to the beloved MS3.

SRT (L x W x H) 173.8 68.8 60.4 3189lbs
MS3 (L x W x H) [SIZE=-1]176.8 x 69.5 x 57.7 3163lbs

So the MS3 is 3" longer... nearly an inch wider and 2.7" shorter. 2.7 inches... That's like the length of your thumb! Oh and... it's 26lbs heavier. Big deal!

As some of you may recall, Dodge under-promised/over-delivered on the original SRT. Not only were the hp #s understated but the car delivered performance #s far better than what people had originally expected. Will history repeat itself? Probably not... in comparison to the last gen model, this car IS pretty damn big/heavy. But then again... in comparison to the MSP, the MS3 is pretty damn big/heavy as well! With most publications testing the MS3 at about 5.8 seconds... a "low 6 second" (I don't know... call it 6.2 before the #s come out) isn't terrible. Everyone gets so hung up on #s... especially 0-60 times. Unless you're doing burnouts, those times mean s***. And even if you are... are you really going to notice a difference between .4 seconds? It's all psychological.

Just like defending the nerd from the school bully at recess, this is no different. I didn't particularly care for the nerd back then and I don't particularly care for this iteration now. But fair is fair... and nobody (or nothing) should be picked on unjustly.
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I would like to see you beating [SIZE=-1]Maria Sharapova in a tennis court, then you will know who is [/SIZE]wimpy one here.
You totally misread my pic.
SRT-4 <-----just raw power with no look.
MS3 <------performance with a good looks.

And you thought [SIZE=-1]Maria Sharapova was just a pretty face with no talent/power? Oh my!
BTW, I also certainly wasn't saying female body builders doesn't get respect, just that as soon as I compare the 2 cars, the idea of the above 2 female celebrity figures immediately pops up in my mind. I hope you are not telling me you don't respect female body builders, since you were saying the SRT-4 [/SIZE]"isn't it getting ANY respect."

 

[misbehave]

Thought Mazda was an American owned Co anyway now that Ford owns most the shares even if it were'nt most cars are made by robots anyway right ?

But other than the platform, the car isn't designed by American Co. It was the Japanese.

I do wish Ford would bring out a product as exciting as the MS3.
In fact, they do have such product, it's called the European Focus, they just didn't bring it over here.

 

[misbehave]

It's kind of pathetic how some of you are so narrow-minded, like the MS3 is the ONLY car to buy if you're looking for a performance compact.

Yes, the car looks like ass. Lets not kid ourselves, the MS3 is no gem either when it comes to looks. In fact, my brother wound up buying a regular 3 because he couldn't get over the ugliness of a hatch, even though he wanted performance. Looks are all relative - I love the way the MS3 looks, others think it's disgusting.

I know you guys all like to think you're the 'king' of the sports compact, but reality check.. there can never be a true winner when everyone wants something different. Sorry, that's just the way it is. If you want solid power, a low-revving engine and a utilitarian-like hatch.. then the MS3 is for you. If you want low torque, high horsepower (for an N/A 2.0) high revving coupe/sedan.. the SI is for you. If you just want cheap power and strikingly aggressive looks, than the Cobalt SS/Ion Redline is for you. Everyone has different wants.. so how can you proclaim to be king?

The new SRT-4 is nice.. but I would never get one because it looks like a sports SUV. I would never buy an SUV for spirited driving.. it should've been made a bit more sporty/aggressive looking.. I think the old SRT-4 was an amazing car for what it was.. I guess others disagree.

So we are narrow-minded? Why don't you open your eyes and check out this other posts in this forum.
We DO have people here praise the 07Civic-Si, the WRX, the Golf/Rabbit, the Mini, and some other sport compacts.
Please check out the fact before you jump to conclusion with just strong criticism.

The new SRT-4 does look somewhat ugly to a lot of us and we are just voicing our opinion.

 

[DeadGeneration]

slowwwwww

 

[Aricjm15]

new srt-4 = same engine as new evo = bastardize the two and get an ugly cheap AWD rocket

 

[altspace]

Thought Mazda was an American owned Co anyway now that Ford owns most the shares even if it were'nt most cars are made by robots anyway right ?

Mazda Rotary hand built in Japan, woot!

On topic, the Caliber is just a new name and face to what the Neon was IMO.

 

[CHICO2003]

I would like to see you beating [SIZE=-1]Maria Sharapova in a tennis court, then you will know who is [/SIZE]wimpy one here.
You totally misread my pic.
SRT-4 <-----just raw power with no look.
MS3 <------performance with a good looks.

And you thought [SIZE=-1]Maria Sharapova was just a pretty face with no talent/power? Oh my!
BTW, I also certainly wasn't saying female body builders doesn't get respect, just that as soon as I compare the 2 cars, the idea of the above 2 female celebrity figures immediately pops up in my mind. I hope you are not telling me you don't respect female body builders, since you were saying the SRT-4 [/SIZE]"isn't it getting ANY respect."

I don't think I misread your pic at all. Your goal was to point out how ugly and tasteless the SRT was in comparrison to the MS3's beauty (and undestated power) I merely said by changing the genders of your pictures, the double-standard would be reversed. Most people think muscle bound women are gross... whereas jacked guys (to an extent) are worshipped in society. As far as Maria goes... she's quite simply (as far as our society is concerned) the perfect specimen. Tall, thin, attractive, blonde... athletic. Your male equivalent, while certainly no slouch with the ladies, obviously wouldn't be an Arnold in his prime type of guy.

 

[///M Compact]

As for there never being a true winner - yes there can always be a winner when it comes to raw performance. Performance isn't subjective. The SI is weak, deal with it.

You have to wonder why a disciple of the Church of Honda feels the need to constantly defend his cherished marque on a MS3 board. I suspect that few -if any- MS3 owners lie awake at night wondering if they should have bought an Si or waited for the SRT-4...

 

[I vtec do you?]

What does this thread have to do with an SI or cobalt? Sorry but those cars are in a different class. Cheap power is the ms3 and srt-4. The cobalt is a good third and the SI - last. Almost everyone regardless of taste agrees the new caliber is Fugly. I'm not saying the car is crap, it's just really really nasty looking (my opinion of course).

Regarding the ms3's looks you said 'let's not kid ourselves'? I love the hatch look a lot more than the sedan. But I agree looks are subjective. As for there never being a true winner - yes there can always be a winner when it comes to raw performance. Performance isn't subjective. The SI is weak, deal with it.

1) It has everything to do with the SI / cobalt / GTI / Redline, etc etc. I'm simply pointing out how this thread is nothing but a bash against anything that isn't a mazdapseed3. As I said before, how can you declare the speed a winner when it has a lot of things people HATE? As I pointed out, in my brother's eyes ( a potential buyer) the MS3 was a loser, so he didn't buy it. You get my point?

2) As for the looks of the MS3, again i say "Lets not kid ourseves". Some people think the mazdaspeed3 is down-right ugly, just like you think the new SRT-4 is. So.. I don't undersatnd that point.

And yes, the SI is weak, but in certain aspects, it's stronger than the MS3. For example, your MS3 would fall on its face at 8000 RPMs where mine will keep going. I'm not saying the SI is better, nor am I saying it's worse. It all depends on the buyer, which is something you guys can't seem to figure out. Tons of people hate turbo lag, the hatch body style, and the low redline. So how is the MS3 a winner to them? Explain.. please.

So we are narrow-minded? Why don't you open your eyes and check out this other posts in this forum.
We DO have people here praise the 07Civic-Si, the WRX, the Golf/Rabbit, the Mini, and some other sport compacts.
Please check out the fact before you jump to conclusion with just strong criticism.

The new SRT-4 does look somewhat ugly to a lot of us and we are just voicing our opinion.

True.. but I'm talking about this thread. Go back and re-read it. It's all about how the MS3 is better. Is it? How can you say that? As I said before, a lot of what you're all saying is subjective. There's a reason why people buy the GTi, the SI or the cobalt instead of the MS3, and 99% of the time it's not a money thing. It's just the MS3 doesn't do it for them.

I'm not sure if anyone understands what I'm saying.. but simply, it's the MS3 sucks to some people, and it's a god-send to others. For me, it's right above the SI because I like the interior more and the power is nice.. but I hate the low redline and the hatch body style. So it's all subjective, some of you need to remember that.

 

[ccann26]

I'd rather wait a tenth of a second then wait until my engine gets up to 7000+ before I have any power just my opinion .

I really just started the tread to see how the srt will stack up to the speed so the comparison is there (performance) i don't really care about how ugly it is . its still a beast no matter what it looks like.

 

[AllLostThings]

It looks like a Super Deformed Anime charcter...