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builthatch

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As a branch off from this thread- http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3641231#post3641231 , i'd like to see what kind of response there would be to an MS3 specific spring kit from Eibach. I am a manufacturer's rep for Eibach in the Northeast and our firm has very close ties to the people who make things happen at Eibach.

I've discussed this with R&D and am presenting the idea to the right people. Would everyone be interested in this product? It's my guess that it'd be a Pro-kit, offering similar stance to this but with significantly increased performance vs. stock.
(standard 3 pro-kit on my ms3) -
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A major sticking point is finding someone close to Corona to work with Eibach on R&D. They need a car to test and I'm hoping if we start to see a green light on this, someone from the forum would be able to help in this department.
 
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What kind of spring rates percentage over stock are you guys thinking? Anything pretty similar to anything else out right now, or what?
I want my suspension to be pretty stiff, but I dont wanna necessarily go full coilover.

I think thered be a lot of interest, a lot of people want more options when it comes to springs and whatnot.
 
builthatch said:
As a branch off from this thread- http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3641231#post3641231 , i'd like to see what kind of response there would be to an MS3 specific spring kit from Eibach. I am a manufacturer's rep for Eibach in the Northeast and our firm has very close ties to the people who make things happen at Eibach.

I've discussed this with R&D and am presenting the idea to the right people. Would everyone be interested in this product? It's my guess that it'd be a Pro-kit, offering similar stance to this but with significantly increased performance vs. stock.
(standard 3 pro-kit on my ms3) -
IMG_0547.jpg


A major sticking point is finding someone close to Corona to work with Eibach on R&D. They need a car to test and I'm hoping if we start to see a green light on this, someone from the forum would be able to help in this department.
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Corona is only 35 minutes away from me and im available during the day. Hook it up.
 
eibach is a great company with great products you guys won't be dissapointed... i run the prokit on my reg 3 and love it still 3 years later
 
I was thining to go with the Mazdaspeed Springs with are 30% stiffer than stock and lowers the stance by 15mm (0.6 inches).

What are your eibachs going to do?
 
Haltech said:
Corona is only 35 minutes away from me and im available during the day. Hook it up.
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haha, duly noted. thanks for the offer and this will definately be presented if talks progress past the initial presentation.


AutoXRacer said:
I was thining to go with the Mazdaspeed Springs with are 30% stiffer than stock and lowers the stance by 15mm (0.6 inches).

What are your eibachs going to do?
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i have to ask the question- are you sure the mazdaspeed springs are 30% stiffer than the stock mazdaspeed3 springs? i have been under the impression since initially reading the mazdaspeed literature and checking out their booth at SEMA that the springs are 30% stiffer than the non-MS versions...

As far as rates, IF they were to go this route, i know eibach would issue a kit with somewhat higher rates than the regular 3 Pro-Kit, which according to my info are 160lbs front and 171lbs rear (the Pro-Kit for the reg 3 is very similar to the stock MS3 springs, but an inch or so lower). I'd push for a lowering amount in the 1" range, possibly 1.2. I believe mine lowered the car about 1.25" and according to all feedback it looks fabulous. part of that might very well be due to the heavier weight of the turbo front end and the slightly softer than stock rate (160 vs 180). whatever the lowering would be, it would not be too aggressive to keep with the rest of the Pro-Kit philosophy, which is moderate rates, moderate lowering in an effort to avoid rough rides, mismatched damping and excessive camber wear.

keep in mind this is a feedback thread and i've solely presented the idea. i have no semblance of an answer from them yet other than the R&D contact mentioned that it would be worth bringing in front of the people who i presented this idea to...
 
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**Threadjack Alert**
Builthatch, Eibach needs to make a kit for the CX-7 too! They actually had a prototype produced for one of the modded CX-7's that mazda had assembled, but they don't offer it for sale. PM me if you ever get any additional information on that.

/threadjack
Sorry guys, you may commence your MS3 conversation...
 
clos561 said:
1 inch drop is nice, i think thats the biggest drop so far
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I think Cobb Springs are 1inch drop also.
Eibach has a long history of quality products. I remember a time if you wanted performance springs, you bought Eibach. Thats because, we did not have the amount of aftermarket companys we have today.
 
Moonpie.Express said:
I think Cobb Springs are 1inch drop also.
Eibach has a long history of quality products. I remember a time if you wanted performance springs, you bought Eibach. Thats because, we did not have the amount of aftermarket companys we have today.
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Eibach still is the premier spring manufacturer in the world. While other companies have definitely made strides in consistency, almost all race cars everywhere are using Eibach springs, either in the valvetrain or in the suspension, and this is true whether or not they have the Eibach name on them or not because Eibach does alot of private labeling.

anyway- here is the latest. it's so/so news.

Eibach has reported a few things to me. the first is that they are indeed responsible for the Mazdaspeed option springs for the 3, but this was pretty obvious. They didn't do an option spring for the MS3 because Mazda was pretty insistent that it was ideal from the factory. You and i both know that even the nice handling box stock ms3 could stand for some improvement in the suspension department, if anything, at the bare minimum it could use a 1-1.2" drop on all four corners.

the bottom line is eibach will only produce the kit under the eibach name if 100 kits can be sold. While on paper that sounds like cake considering how many of the people who have these cars would be willing to buy an ideal kit, it is alot harder than is sounds because of my limited territory responsibility as an outside rep. There are other options in which this type of kit could be developed by eibach but i can't divulge that quite yet. It would be a private label situation but that's all i can say for now.

I can tell you that i will have to contact a few of your favorite product resellers to see if they can help this situation.

if anyone would really be interested in this, please say so here. I might have to assemble a group buy in some capacity..........
 
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I had the Pro-Kit on my 01 Stratus R/T (show car) and I loved them. Had them for 3 or 4 years. Best money I spent on ANY mod I had, and I had a TON!

Hatch, does Eibach mean sell 100 just through you, or overall? There will be NO PROBLEM AT ALL selling 100 kits. That is cake. s***, I'd buy all 100 and sell them on ebay! There must be another hold up from Eibach, unless they meant just 100 through you......... As you said Eibach is the premiere spring company in the world, with one of the longest, most reliable and respected histories for making springs. Eibach = quality and performance. There should be no problem selling 100.

If it takes a long time, and I have my MS3 by then, i would be more than happy to rep for Eibach as a sponsored car at shows on the East Coast.

Good luck! Keep everyone posted!
 
+1 for the price...let us know so we can start getting money together. i was going to get a qtp cutout but i want to get suspension instead
 
hey builthatch i love in corona, like 5 mins from the warehouse. i drive by it everyday, id be happy to use my car
 
channah said:
hey builthatch i love in corona, like 5 mins from the warehouse. i drive by it everyday, id be happy to use my car
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thanks for the info. i will keep this in mind along with what haltech has said. i really appreciate the positive offers and feedback.

Eibach has reported to me that this is being thrown about very seriously and very well might get the stamp of approval, even before any outside commitment is made for purchase.

so the latest is- i have been approaching the resellers you guys know and love about carrying this product via a fabulous warehouse distributor of Eibach's. Everyone at this point has given me positive feedback regarding the potential of a part number like this and is very interested in what develops.

i just hope the community is an anxious about an ideal spring kit upgrade like i am haha...

stay tuned.
 
definantly man just let me know. im excited for this and hope it goes through
 
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