New info on the next RX from Mazda!!!

[Wagonbacker9]

I remember beating on my mom's subie... tromp on the gas... understeer, let off, oversteer... lil hard to control unless youre expecting it. lol

 

[SpooledupRacing]

RWD or GTFO... AWD is ok too but only in certian situations

 

[mazdadude]

Here is new info from 2-12-2009....what do you think??

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/d...179979&kw=N&synpartner=edmunds&mktid=cj260233

Thanks for finding that tidbit Old Rotor!

Always good to hear that Mazda wants to stick with the Rotary.

Can't wait to drive a 16X!!!(yippy)

 

[fatti03msp]

RWD or GTFO... AWD is ok too but only in certian situations

AWD is cheating haha

 

[SpooledupRacing]

AWD is cheating haha

your probably the same person that says NOS is cheating too right??

 

[evolv]

and dont get me wrong I am not down talking the rx8 I would love to have one.. but to me it does NOT have the "pedigree" that the rx7 does and it is not a "sports car" in the since of the term

I got a jump in here and say, my RX-8 is definately a sports car. Not the same caliber of sports car like the 3rd gen RX-7 but if I wanted that I would have bought a Lotus Elise or a 3rd gen RX-7. IMO the RX-8 is more sports car then the 1st or 2nd gen 7 ever was.

Now back to the RX-9. I CAN'T WAIT TO GET BEHIND THE WHEEL OF THE ALL NEW Twin-Rotor 16X.

 

[altspace]

As for the RX-8, I have to agree, though a sporty car, it is NOT a "sports" car... nor did mazda intend for it to be. If it was, theres no way it would have the door setup it has.

What does having the door setup have to do with being a sports car. Have you read about the engineering that went into the chassis? All of the design put into it makes the car ultra stiff. The extra doors are a plus. There are many 2+2 sports cars. Does Porsche not count as a sports car too?

End rant.

 

[Nextruss]

AWD is training wheels, nuff said? also i read somewhere else they are making the RX-7 and RX-9: rx7 being a 2dr, rx9 being a 4 door, nothing else really different about power or drivetrain.

 

[SpooledupRacing]

IMO the RX-8 is more sports car then the 1st or 2nd gen 7 ever was.

Cant believe I missed this..

Sir you are 100% wrong.. The rx7 was more of a sports car in the 80's then the rx8 is now adays..

drive an rx7 next to an rx8 (with equal power) and u will see first hand how much better a 1st or 2nd gen rx7 is then the rx8..

and another thing.. not sure how old u are.. but if u know ANYTHING about 80's cars.. u would know the RX7 is a sports car.. it handled like on rails.. BETTER then the 8 matter a fact.

 

[Herblenny]

Let me start off by saying I'm in no way a professional driver or paid driver of any kind... By saying that what I'm about to say is my experienced over 20+ years of owning and driving various rotaries and varies sports cars...

regarding comparison of RX8 vs 1st gen RX7.. I've owned and have driven 3 other 1st gens (including modified suspension) and stock RX8 handles and drives FAR better. I currently own 2 FDs and have modified the suspension on my FDs with various set up and I have to say, stock 8 handles definitely better than stock FD and some set ups I had before..

Power on the 8 is not comparison to some modified 7s.. But conversation regarding handling.. There are few that can match the handling of the 8.

If you don't agree, please go drive one.. and look underneath the car. The rear suspension design is far better than of the FD.. And clear why it drives so much better..

 

[mazdadude]

Let me start off by saying I'm in no way a professional driver or paid driver of any kind... By saying that what I'm about to say is my experienced over 20+ years of owning and driving various rotaries and varies sports cars...

regarding comparison of RX8 vs 1st gen RX7.. I've owned and have driven 3 other 1st gens (including modified suspension) and stock RX8 handles and drives FAR better. I currently own 2 FDs and have modified the suspension on my FDs with various set up and I have to say, stock 8 handles definitely better than stock FD and some set ups I had before..

Power on the 8 is not comparison to some modified 7s.. But conversation regarding handling.. There are few that can match the handling of the 8.

If you don't agree, please go drive one.. and look underneath the car. The rear suspension design is far better than of the FD.. And clear why it drives so much better..

I agree that stock for stock, when comparing braking and handling, the FE beats the FB,FC,and FD! Power to weight ratio, that is a different story...(cryhard)

 

[Herblenny]

I agree that stock for stock, when comparing braking and handling, the FE beats the FB,FC,and FD! Power to weight ratio, that is a different story...(cryhard)

Specs..

Year Model per bhp lb-ft Cb Wt lb/bhp Trans 0-60 1/4 mile
------- ------- ------ --- ------- ------- ------ ------- ------- --------
1979 R&T 100 105 2420 23.05 5-sp 9.2 17
1984 GSL-SE C&D 135 133 2590 19.47 5-sp 7.8 15.9
1984 GSL-SE R&T 135 133 - 5-sp 8.5 16.4
1985 GSL R&T 101 107 2500 23.36 5-sp 9.9 17.4
1986 GXL C&D 146 138 - 5-sp 7.7 16
1986 GXL R&T 146 138 2700 19.57 5-sp 7.9 16.1
1986 GXL MT 146 138 2625 19.02 5-sp 8.1 16.3
1986 GXL R&T 146 138 2700 19.57 5-sp 8.5 16.5
1986 Sport R&T 146 138 2790 20.22 5-sp 8.1
1987 GXL AW 146 138 2645 19.17 5-sp 8.1
1987 Turbo R&T 182 183 2830 15.46 5-sp 6.6 15.2
1987 Turbo C&D 182 183 2830 15.46 5-sp 6.5 14.9
1988 Conv. C&D 146 138 3012 21.83 5-sp 9.2 16.9
1988 Conv. R&T 146 138 3030 21.96 5-sp 9.7 17.5
1988 GTU R&T 146 138 2755 19.96 5-sp 8.5 16.5
1988 Turbo R&T 182 183 2900 15.85 5-sp 6.7 15.1
(10th Aniv)
1989 GTUs R&T 160 140 2775 19.82 5-sp 8.6 16.7
1989 Conv. R&T 160 140 3025 21.61 Auto 11.3 18.4
1989 Turbo R&T 200 196 - 5-sp 6.3 15.1
1990 GXL R&T 146 138 2790 20.22 5-sp 8.5 16.5
1990 Conv. MT 160 140 3000 21.43 Auto 10.7 18
1990 Turbo MT 200 196 2850 14.54 5-sp 6.4 15
1993 R1 C&D 255 217 2800 12.90 5-sp 5 13.7
1993 Touring R&T 255 217 2870 13.23 5-sp 5.5 14
2004-08 GT C&D 232 159 3053 6-sp 6.6 15.1


Compare to all the NA rotaries, Renesis is the fastest..

Compare to Turbo rotaries, Renesis isn't as fast...

 

[evolv]

Cant believe I missed this..

Sir you are 100% wrong.. The rx7 was more of a sports car in the 80's then the rx8 is now adays..

drive an rx7 next to an rx8 (with equal power) and u will see first hand how much better a 1st or 2nd gen rx7 is then the rx8..

and another thing.. not sure how old u are.. but if u know ANYTHING about 80's cars.. u would know the RX7 is a sports car.. it handled like on rails.. BETTER then the 8 matter a fact.

I am old enough to have purchased an 83 RX-7 off the dealers floor, AND I DID!

The 1st gen was a fun car to drive, it was the reason I fell in love with Mazda's, it was a true seat of the pants sports car.

The 2nd gen was a fat dog (heavy and lazy), test drove all versions including the convertible, Anniversary and Turbo, I bought a 323 GTX instead and it beat all the NA 2nd gen's off the line and took the corners just as fast.

Now the 3rd gen, (well you still need 20+ grand to get one) thats how good of a sports car they were.

and to clarify, I never once said the 80's RX-7's were not sports cars, I just said they were not as good as the RX-8. But that is just my opinion.

 

[fatti03msp]

the repu hands down would on all in the 1/4 mile, drifting and road coarse.

Debate down, please continue about the new RX series

(breakn)

haha

 

[Velocifero]

I want to build a repu, just don't have the time.

 

[Austerror]

I have taken my Cosmo around a race track (Wakefield park in NSW, Australia) with a bunch of other modified rotaries. The stock RX8 that was there was hard to beat.

Wakefield is a short, tight course. Power means less there. My Cosmo is also modified and handles much better than stock. The RX8 may or may not be a sports car, but its still an awesome car.

Anyway I also can't wait for the 16X

 

[Herblenny]

Looks like 16X is on hold..

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_forum/showthread.php?t=9387

 

[Vocko]

But we need to register before reading that post

 

[Herblenny]

But we need to register before reading that post

Really??

Hold on..


Here..

TOKYO -- The next-generation rotary engine from Mazda Motor Corp. isn't ready. The engine, unveiled at the 2007 Tokyo show under the code name 16X, was planned as the powerplant for the next-generation RX-8 sports car to be launched in 2012 or so.
Seita Kanai, head of Mazda r&d, said the engine does not meet the performance and fuel economy guidelines the automaker requires for a production model. Work continues to cut the rotary's fuel consumption.
The code name refers to the increase in the current engine's displacement, from 1.3 liters to 1.6 liters.
Kanai declined to say whether it's back to the drawing board for the 16X. "The 16X is more a profile of a rotary still in our concept stage," he said. "It needs more evolution."
(Source: Automotive News)

 

[Wagonbacker9]

do I understand that the rotors are wider in the new version? would seem to me (from a limited physics understanding) that would bump up torque numbers.