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MY girl goes to retreat
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jersey_emt
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My opinion --
A 'retreat' is utter bulls***. You should not need to go to a quasi-cult activity to find yourself. And if you do, you may THINK you are saved, or have 'discovered your true self' but in actuality you have NOT. You were basically brainwashed into accepting all of the ideals fed to you on the retreat.
And a true Christian knows that a retreat isn't even needed to gain salvation. Only the acceptance of Jesus Christ as one's savior will get you into heaven. So why go on a cult retreat in the first place?
And for those who think a Christian retreat is nothing like a cult...wake up. In this country it is OK to have cult-like activities as long as it is the Christian god you are worshipping. The minute some group decides to worship an alien God they are immediately labeled as wackos.
Anyways,
So from what I'm understanding, your girlfriend went to one of these retreats, came back 'enlightened' and now you aren't happy with the results. You know what? I don't blame you.
The only hope I see is the fact that she allowed herself to change almost overnight at the retreat. This means that bringing her back into reality shouldn't be too hard. The Bible should not be read as right & wrong (completely black and white with no grey areas). It should be read as a GUIDE. The parables describe good morals at the time it was written. Many of these morals still apply today. But you need to have the insight to realize that everything that applied back then does not necessarily apply to the present. Hopefully she will realize this.
Good luck.
A 'retreat' is utter bulls***. You should not need to go to a quasi-cult activity to find yourself. And if you do, you may THINK you are saved, or have 'discovered your true self' but in actuality you have NOT. You were basically brainwashed into accepting all of the ideals fed to you on the retreat.
And a true Christian knows that a retreat isn't even needed to gain salvation. Only the acceptance of Jesus Christ as one's savior will get you into heaven. So why go on a cult retreat in the first place?
And for those who think a Christian retreat is nothing like a cult...wake up. In this country it is OK to have cult-like activities as long as it is the Christian god you are worshipping. The minute some group decides to worship an alien God they are immediately labeled as wackos.
Anyways,
So from what I'm understanding, your girlfriend went to one of these retreats, came back 'enlightened' and now you aren't happy with the results. You know what? I don't blame you.
The only hope I see is the fact that she allowed herself to change almost overnight at the retreat. This means that bringing her back into reality shouldn't be too hard. The Bible should not be read as right & wrong (completely black and white with no grey areas). It should be read as a GUIDE. The parables describe good morals at the time it was written. Many of these morals still apply today. But you need to have the insight to realize that everything that applied back then does not necessarily apply to the present. Hopefully she will realize this.
Good luck.
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I do not know if this is a good idea or not but why not show your girlfriend this thread and read it through maybe that will open the lines of communication.
another thing - i dont care if she reads her bible but dont change with me
she feels that she always changes her mind because of me and she used this example
supposably before if she would tell me that she's not going to live with me and i tell her - it's the baby that's going to lose - then she would change her mind
but now after this retreat, she's saying for me to think whatever i want to think but she knows she's doing the right thing
how is not living together (the mom and dad) doing the right thing and it's over something thats not a big deal, i dont hit her, or treat her bad, i would understand if thats the case but because i dont want to get married now
- how many girls/woman want their partner to live with them and be a family and be happy with whats going to come in the future, but no, i have the one that thinks the complete opposite and thinks everything should happen now
she feels that she always changes her mind because of me and she used this example
supposably before if she would tell me that she's not going to live with me and i tell her - it's the baby that's going to lose - then she would change her mind
but now after this retreat, she's saying for me to think whatever i want to think but she knows she's doing the right thing
how is not living together (the mom and dad) doing the right thing and it's over something thats not a big deal, i dont hit her, or treat her bad, i would understand if thats the case but because i dont want to get married now
- how many girls/woman want their partner to live with them and be a family and be happy with whats going to come in the future, but no, i have the one that thinks the complete opposite and thinks everything should happen now
jersey_emt
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styles_t said:how is not living together (the mom and dad) doing the right thing and it's over something thats not a big deal, i dont hit her, or treat her bad, i would understand if thats the case but because i dont want to get married now
EXACTLY. The 'right thing' in this situation is obvious - live together. Give your child a two-parent home. Many children unfortunately don't have this luxury. You have the chance to give this to your child, and yet your girlfriend fails to read beyond the Bible to see the whole picture.
"EXACTLY. The 'right thing' in this situation is obvious - live together. Give your child a two-parent home. Many children unfortunately don't have this luxury. You have the chance to give this to your child, and yet your girlfriend fails to read beyond the Bible to see the whole picture."
and this is why i said they cant think for themselves
- tell me this, what would god want, for a baby to have the mom and dad living together and raising the baby, or just having the mom raise the baby because the dad doesnt want to get married NOW
and this is why i said they cant think for themselves
- tell me this, what would god want, for a baby to have the mom and dad living together and raising the baby, or just having the mom raise the baby because the dad doesnt want to get married NOW
jersey_emt
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styles_t said:trying to get thru somebody after a retreat aint easy - they have that stuff like glue into thier minds
Believe me I know. But it can be done.
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I don't know why not read the 10 commandmentsstyles_t said:"EXACTLY. The 'right thing' in this situation is obvious - live together. Give your child a two-parent home. Many children unfortunately don't have this luxury. You have the chance to give this to your child, and yet your girlfriend fails to read beyond the Bible to see the whole picture."
and this is why i said they cant think for themselves
- tell me this, what would god want, for a baby to have the mom and dad living together and raising the baby, or just having the mom raise the baby because the dad doesnt want to get married NOW
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I think if I am not mistaken those are Gods' words given to Moses.
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This is a quote from you. Says that you beleave in God.styles_t said:you know her religion is catholic and here's mine:
i do believe in god but i'm not into it like that
i dont believe god is your answer for everything and that praying to him would make your life better, i feel that in order to make your life better, it's in your hands to make it happen
i dont believe it's the "right thing to do" to get married just because you have a baby, i believe that getting married should happen because you want it to and that just because you have a baby, doesnt mean you have to get married and dont get me wrong i love my daughter, i see her everyday and the mom knows it so it's not like i'm one of those guys that dont care
she says that if you're married, it means that your partner wont cheat on you, i disagree, and i used her family as examples because all of her uncles cheated on her aunts so being married doesnt mean you're safe - and i know i wont cheat on her because that's just how i am, i never cheated on any of my girls
the list goes on. . .
and it's not what would god want - it's what REALLY the right think to do for the baby, be together
she comes out with the: when the baby gets older they going to ask her, are your parents married and she's going to say no
now tell me this: at least "they" will ask her, and not skip the question because the baby only has 1 parent
what, is "society" going to look at her bad because her parents are together but not married yet
the last time i checked, society looks down on people that only have 1 parent and it's not even looking down on them but puts them as a stereotype if you know what i mean
she comes out with the: when the baby gets older they going to ask her, are your parents married and she's going to say no
now tell me this: at least "they" will ask her, and not skip the question because the baby only has 1 parent
what, is "society" going to look at her bad because her parents are together but not married yet
the last time i checked, society looks down on people that only have 1 parent and it's not even looking down on them but puts them as a stereotype if you know what i mean
jersey_emt
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styles_t said:how do you know, did you have something go on like this
Not like this, but I have had friends who came back from a retreat without any grasp on reality, and were brainwashed into taking the Bible 100% literally. It took some work to 'bring them back.'
Ted Nugent's take on the 10 Commandments:
When Nuge called, he immediately launched into a diatribe on why there are so few Republican rockers, talking for eight uninterrupted minutes, several times working himself into a screaming frenzy, once about colonial British taxes. Nuge also burped twice. Amid this rant, Nuge mentioned three times that unlike the Kerry-loving, dope-smoking hippie rockers on tour, he believes in living by the Ten Commandments. Asked to name them, he said, "I couldn't rip them off right now. I'm sure I live them on a daily basis." When pressed, he named five before paraphrasing the rest: "THOU SHALT BARBECUE ON AN HOURLY BASIS! THOU SHALL SHOOT DEER DIRECTLY IN THE VITALS TO CAUSE A QUICK DEATH!" As far as the lack of Republican artists, Nuge countered with "JAMES WOODS IS A REPUBLICAN! BRUCE WILLIS! DIE HARD 2, THAT'S SOME ART!" he said. "BO DEREK IS A REPUBLICAN. SHE'S ART!" While that may be true, her work in 1990's Ghosts Can't Do It is debatable.
The full story:
For Those About to Rock: We Cut Your Taxes
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/stein/article/0,9565,689636,00.html
When Nuge called, he immediately launched into a diatribe on why there are so few Republican rockers, talking for eight uninterrupted minutes, several times working himself into a screaming frenzy, once about colonial British taxes. Nuge also burped twice. Amid this rant, Nuge mentioned three times that unlike the Kerry-loving, dope-smoking hippie rockers on tour, he believes in living by the Ten Commandments. Asked to name them, he said, "I couldn't rip them off right now. I'm sure I live them on a daily basis." When pressed, he named five before paraphrasing the rest: "THOU SHALT BARBECUE ON AN HOURLY BASIS! THOU SHALL SHOOT DEER DIRECTLY IN THE VITALS TO CAUSE A QUICK DEATH!" As far as the lack of Republican artists, Nuge countered with "JAMES WOODS IS A REPUBLICAN! BRUCE WILLIS! DIE HARD 2, THAT'S SOME ART!" he said. "BO DEREK IS A REPUBLICAN. SHE'S ART!" While that may be true, her work in 1990's Ghosts Can't Do It is debatable.
The full story:
For Those About to Rock: We Cut Your Taxes
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/stein/article/0,9565,689636,00.html
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1.You shall have no other Gods before Me.styles_t said:why dont you tell me the 10 commandments
2.You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
3.You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes his name in vain.
4.Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5.Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you.
6.You shall not murder.
7.You shall not commit adultery.
8.You shall not steal.
9.You shall not bear false witness against your nieghbor.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor's house; youshall not covetyour nieghbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your nieghbor.
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