MY girl goes to retreat

[orangezoom]

Matthew 19 5-6
Also Hebrews 13 4

 

[styles_t]

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[chuyler1]

Matthew 19 only talks about divorce...i see nothing concrete about living together before marriage.

 

[Replica]

I don't see anything about living together before marriage being a sin. I think people are running a little too far with ideas here. Regardless, it doesn't matter what we as individuals think is sinful, it's up to God to speak to your heart (conviction) to decide such things. There simply isn't much to discuss or debate....

 

[styles_t]

well tonight i'm going to have a good talk with her and see what happens and i'll keep you posted tomorrow

i'm going to let her know what the baby needs in reality and not from the religion standpoint

 

[styles_t]

do i have a good idea here by what i just said about reality and religion point of view regarding the baby

 

[xelderx]

Marriage is a human concept. Not a divine concept. Marriage is nothing more than a confirmation of one's love and sacrifice for another person, much like a Christian's profession of faith. Even though a Christian, and I assume most other religions including Catholicism, see it as a promse made before God, the important part is the promise the people make to each other. Keep in mind now that this marriage is still a Human concept and a human concept is not perfect. If love, devotion, and sacrifice are already present in a relationship between two people and the bond that marriage is supposed to solidify already exists, then marriage is nothing more than a play. It's an act so that we can all get dressed up, throw a party, and our Moms can cry. Even without the ceremony the bond is still there. The feelings and sacrifice that a pair of rings is supposed to personify would still exist without such trite daily reminders. There is no "rule" that says love and companionship MUST be made true by a ceremony in front of God. Any true believer would understand that God already knows because he sees what is in one's heart, not what is in one's actions. If the feelings are truely there with this girl try and help her understand that. Remember that people who swore to unions between two people before ceremony was involved made it no less meaningful or permanent.

 

[chuyler1]

It's an act so that we can all get dressed up, throw a party, and our Moms can cry.

Ahh yes...I have been with my girlfriend for 5 years and just proposed to her this summer. We will be engaged for another two years before everyone is around for us to get married. There is no rush, we knew before I proposed that we were essentially a married couple. We have been living together for the past 2 years so the wedding is just a formality of something we have known for years.

 

[MSPinVA]

GOD I HATE THE INTERNET...... (just lost a nice long post)

Anyway, the jist of what I said was this: Don't feel like you are forced into getting married. If she thinks of your child the way you do, then she will understand that you aren't ready yet and wait. Second, if you need some advice about this issue, why not go talk to her priest? Catholic priests are usually very knowledgeable guys (they actually had to go to school for quite some time to be ordained) and are really down to earth in my experiences. He will be able to give you some good advice and point you in the right direction, whether it be with the church or not. Third, religion is overrated and misinterpreted. To Orangezoom: Did you know that Shakespeare and many other writers helped write the King James Bible that you know take for Scripture today? MANY words in ancient Aramaic, Greek, and latin have no literal translations to english, so YES, many words have been changed, altered, or even thrown out. It's a fact, get over it. You are not reading the same book that was written 2000 years ago. I will post more when I get home regarding religion and such, but I have to go to accounting class now.... ugh.....

 

[azian6er]

my mother went to a retreat a while back (708 years or so) a so called "cathlic" retreat (our family is very devout) and i remeber when she came back so was so distraught. They DID tryo to brain wash her and she was scared to be there even.

What was the name of the program or retreat? St Pius or something? Cause if it was it could be like the thing my mom went to.

She was real messed up after that happened.

-B

 

[2words]

hey just tell her you think she needs to go on another retreat maybe a permanent one or unit she gets her head out of her ass!!

 

[styles_t]

is your mom still messed up

 

[orangezoom]

GOD I HATE THE INTERNET...... (just lost a nice long post)

Anyway, the jist of what I said was this: Don't feel like you are forced into getting married. If she thinks of your child the way you do, then she will understand that you aren't ready yet and wait. Second, if you need some advice about this issue, why not go talk to her priest? Catholic priests are usually very knowledgeable guys (they actually had to go to school for quite some time to be ordained) and are really down to earth in my experiences. He will be able to give you some good advice and point you in the right direction, whether it be with the church or not. Third, religion is overrated and misinterpreted. To Orangezoom: Did you know that Shakespeare and many other writers helped write the King James Bible that you know take for Scripture today? MANY words in ancient Aramaic, Greek, and latin have no literal translations to english, so YES, many words have been changed, altered, or even thrown out. It's a fact, get over it. You are not reading the same book that was written 2000 years ago. I will post more when I get home regarding religion and such, but I have to go to accounting class now.... ugh.....

. [font=Times New Roman, Arial]I have studied this issue for many of my twenty years in the church and so have just about all Bible Scholars. Some will worship the use of the King James Version but we must remember that English is merely a translation not the original text. [/font]
[font=Times New Roman, Arial]There are two present sets of original manuscripts available for these translators to use. One is the Received Text which comes from the Byzantine era which was at that time more closely associated to the true apostolic fathers who were the eye witnesses to Jesus life, death and resurrection. The Western church took up the heresies of the Gnostic and other doctrines that were not held as canon by the Apostles and Paul. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]The other text that seems to be a favorite for the ones who would like to change or twist the translation to mean what they want it to mean are using the Vaticanus or Siniaticus. This text was considered by Middle Age scholars to be not only spurious but in error and was discarded as credible. From what I have read this manuscript had been on the shelf at the Vatican library for some many years untouched because they realized the monk's errors. Because it was not used and was found older than the most recent copies of the Received Text, modern translators (who are perverting the truth by using it) thought it was a better one to use. I tend to steer away from any of the translations which use this text rather than the Received Text. A good book to read to help you understand the intricacies of what God was allowing to happen to the church from the first to the present century can be found in Alan Knight's book Primitive Christianity. (Read IIThessalonians for the prophecy of this time when deception will be the rule rather than truth.) [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Now as to what is the best English translation. I would suggest one that uses the tried and true "Received Text" or the one that the King James Version was written from. The KJV also has political and doctrinal errors because it was translated by a committee who was at that time influenced by the Catholic Church rather than the early Apostolic Celtic or Culdee Church of England. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]The early British church was started not by Rome but by some of the Apostles who were sent to the lost tribes in their dispersion. It used an English translation from the original Italia manuscripts but these are very rare today. I have not seen a copy of this version and it is not likely one will as with all of the material from that era was destroyed and discredited by their enemies. (I have several books that tell the story of the early Culdee Church that flourished in England, Ireland, Wales and Scotland as well as Northern Europe until Rome stamped them out during the Inquisition.) [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]It is a difficult study but with the help of Strong's or Young's Concordance and some basic understanding of the way Greek and Hebrew was used we can all arrive at the correct meaning of the words of Scripture. And of course the inspiration of the Holy Spirit if one asks for God's help will make it even more clear as we mature.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]My husband and I had been using the New American Standard but when the knowledge of these deceptions were know we went back to the King James and likely the NKJV (NEW King James Version) is the better one to understand. I do not know where you are in your walk with God but as a new learner who needs to understand the concepts in a basic way I would use a good paraphrase such as The Good News.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]If you are a more mature Christian and you prefer to compare texts by all means do so, but just remember translators take a lot of license as some idiomatic and figurative phrases do not readily translate out into the English language well. We have been listening to Mordakhai Joseph (whose lessons are available at www.teachingthelaw.org) to understand the Hebrew meanings and we have been listening to Fred Coulter at www.cbcg.org for his understanding of the Greek language. Fred is preparing a version of the New Testament to be published soon. He used the Received Text and is trying to make the translation as accurate as is possible at this time. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]The majority of the newer versions have stopped using the received text and are using the Vaticanus that has many errors in its translation as I mentioned above so I would be very careful in selecting my new Bible. Not only are ministers preaching unscripturally but the Scriptures are being corrupted as well. We must be very aware of this and use our ability to discern truth from lies carefully.[/font]

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And by the way I am over it. God Bless

 

[styles_t]

anyway, orangezoom, it was cool talkin to you and the other peoples in here about my little problem, like i said, i'll keep you posted tomorrow on what happened

 

[orangezoom]

I hope it works out for you.