My Car just blew up?

[daedalus]

all the mods listed in the my sig havent been installed. THe only thing done to the engine compartment was a AWR front motor mount. Everything else hasnt been installed.

 

[Newf]

sounds to me like previous owner ****** the engine to be honest.

Why did they get rid of it to begin with?

 

[FSDET]

yea thats what i thought

 

[daedalus]

it was a trade in for a truck. He was in the service. Other than that I have no idea. I am assuming that the dealership wouldnt swap forged internals in for me if i provided them over the stock parts?

 

[boostisgood]

Exactly what happened to my car when I twisted my #3 rod. Find out what exactly happened (meaning if its #3 rod) because it seems most of the engines that pop have issues with this piston/rod.

Sorry bro, Mazda covered mine, so it does look good for ya.

 

[JDM Sam]

Did it sound like this? http://www.smoothnetdesign.com/engineblow(high).mpg

That vid still amazes me how audible detonation was.

:'(

 

[Slider]

Just the fact that there is a "Boom thread" might serve to teach new MSP owners not to over boost their engines without a serious re-build of the engines' internals.

They just werent built for it guys, the first few engines that blew up should have clued some of you into that.

 

[JDM Sam]

i think he was stock so its not like he messed with anything.
Daedalus:
Are you flashed?

 

[Slider]

i think he was stock so its not like he messed with anything.
Daedalus:
Are you flashed?

Oopps! I missed that, he didn't boost at all?

Strange.

 

[zzooomm]

Maybe Mazda should have had more engines for options avalible with the MSP. So you buy the car and you get two spare engines delivered to your house. I have said it a million times, The people on the board saying that there car is running fine with more boost will experience the bad feeling of the motor going south. I was one of them. JUST WAIT!!! Every time someone posts that the engine goes south, someone else alway posts how good their runs. JUST WAIT all of these cars will blow up.

 

[kwiktsi]

Oopps! I missed that, he didn't boost at all?

Strange.

A lot of people have blown 100% stock MSP's, a lot have blown modded MSP's and a lot are driving modded MSP's trouble free- so it is not just the actual car- there are a lot of variables- lugging a turbo car is the #1 NO-NO. I have argued with people about this for the last year and a half on this board!!!
Joe

 

[505zoom]

...lugging a turbo car is the #1 NO-NO. I have argued with people about this for the last year and a half on this board!!!
Joe

Thank you Joe. I have been running mine super hard, and I totally agree with you about that. I know for sure that my car is still alive today because I never boost in the wrong gear. If I am doing under 45, I use second gear even if I am only going to push the throttle past half-way. I have seen at least 3 or 4 people on here that have mentioned questionable gear selection after they blew their motors.

I am not saying that is the only thing that could of happened to daedulus, but boosting these cars that weren't really meant for it calls for extreme caution when you are in boost. You need to always consider load when you have a turbo car, but moreso for us that still have stock internals in the msp. If you have a lot of weight in the car, or are going up a steep hill, take extra care to make sure that you are in the proper gear before boosting at all. It doesn't even take very much boost to snap our rods if the load is high enough.

Just my .02

 

[boostisgood]

we all know that this motor is crap, and should never had been boosted. Look at how many MP3 and P5's that went turbo blew up.

Mazda made a mistake, in not strengthing the internals on this car, like they did with the Miata. Ohh well, guess we all learn a lesson on buying a first year car.

 

[kwiktsi]

no, the motors aren't the strongest- hell, "strong" doesn't even apply to anything but possibly the crank . They are not designed for boost, nor can they handle many mods reliably- BUT they can do it BETTER if proper care is taken and driving style is used.
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

Thank you Joe. I have been running mine super hard, and I totally agree with you about that. I know for sure that my car is still alive today because I never boost in the wrong gear. If I am doing under 45, I use second gear even if I am only going to push the throttle past half-way. I have seen at least 3 or 4 people on here that have mentioned questionable gear selection after they blew their motors.

I am not saying that is the only thing that could of happened to daedulus, but boosting these cars that weren't really meant for it calls for extreme caution when you are in boost. You need to always consider load when you have a turbo car, but moreso for us that still have stock internals in the msp. If you have a lot of weight in the car, or are going up a steep hill, take extra care to make sure that you are in the proper gear before boosting at all. It doesn't even take very much boost to snap our rods if the load is high enough.

Just my .02

Exactly . I said back then only time will tell. here we are now- time has passed and we see a pattern. Hmm.... Some of us were right last year, yet all the message board tuners knew more than us apparently lol.
Joe

 

[ForceFed]

A lot of people have blown 100% stock MSP's, a lot have blown modded MSP's and a lot are driving modded MSP's trouble free
Joe

DING DING DING!
We have a winner!
I blew up the First MSP EVaR!
Bone stock with 3800 miles....not even in boost when she let go!
Matt

 

[lamp3]

how much exactly would someone be looking at to go ahead with forged pistons and rods, as a prevenative step BEFORE a big hole gets blown in the block?

 

[daedalus]

i think he was stock so its not like he messed with anything.
Daedalus:
Are you flashed?

Yea... It was completly stock, at stock boost when it blew. I personally have never raised the boost in this car. Allways ran around 6-6.5 psi. I dont know if the car was flashed. I was supposed to be dropping it off this week for a new muffler, shift knob, front and rear skirts, swaybar bushings, and to see what flashes were needed. Looks like they will be doing even more work to the car.

I appreciate all of your guys' help a lot. However, I can't say I like the answers you are giving me. I guess my engine let go. I really want to stuff forged piecees in it, but I can only afford the parts, and not the labor. I wish mazda would let me swap forged pieces in for the crap they would replace it with. It would save them money in the long run. It cant be cheap replacing engines every 15,000 miles.

 

[Jhova1012]

*n00b question alert*

What determines the amount of load on the engine and why is boosting under high load such a problem?

Obviously if your going up a steep in hill in 4th gear at 2k rpms that cant be good, but why is boosting in 5th/low rpms such a bad idea? Im confused.... is it even possible to be in boost at that low of an engine speed? I know the turbo is small but....

 

[Brian MP5T]

*n00b question alert*

What determines the amount of load on the engine and why is boosting under high load such a problem?

Obviously if your going up a steep in hill in 4th gear at 2k rpms that cant be good, but why is boosting in 5th/low rpms such a bad idea? Im confused.... is it even possible to be in boost at that low of an engine speed? I know the turbo is small but....

Ever ridden a 10 Speed bike up hill in top gear??