MSP vs SRT-4
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What about mazdas transmissions? Just to bring up the topic.
what is the difference between that 16g and say a td05h 16g that mitsu made all through the 90's? ball bearing?QwikSRT4 said:
has the engine proven itself in any other car yet, or is this the first one (i thought i heard something about it being in a car in mexico before coming here but i'm not sure)? are the internals forged?
wow, i'm learning so much at work today
what about them? they obviously weren't designed to handle double the power of stock, but none are really (se-r's, dsm's all blow up tranny's pretty easily). the getrag box in the srt is nice though, but since dodge commissioned it and they know less about transmissions than mazda i'll wait to see if it holds up.Familia323 said:
Damn, you're throwing me a lot of questions. Let me get back to you on the turbo-specific questions when I get an answer. This is my first turbo car, and frankly I'm at a loss when it comes to the difference between all the Mitsu turbos. I gotta bunch of DSM buddies that can help me out, so when I get an answer back, I'll get back to you.
As for the 2.4L engine that's in the SRT-4, it has been in the Mexican Stratus for around 6 years now. The police cruisers down there use turbocharged Stratuses, and I'm not sure if they use the same turbo the SRT's do.
As for the 2.4L engine that's in the SRT-4, it has been in the Mexican Stratus for around 6 years now. The police cruisers down there use turbocharged Stratuses, and I'm not sure if they use the same turbo the SRT's do.
jred321 said:hehe, im bored at work and like to know things
Hey not a problem, after all that's why I'm here. To learn as much about the MSP as I can so if me and my wife end up adding it to our stable, I can get right to business on modding it as well as my SRT-4! (mj)
"Farting skittle?" "Girls car?" Man, you need to come up with something more original. Next you're gonna make fun of my car because it has crank rear windows. Get some originality before you open your mouth again.
And I've often asked this, but never gotten a response. Anyone else wanna help me? What's this correlation between SRT-4's and skittles? Could someone bridge the gap here? I see no relation. Thanks.
And I've often asked this, but never gotten a response. Anyone else wanna help me? What's this correlation between SRT-4's and skittles? Could someone bridge the gap here? I see no relation. Thanks.
Man what you want me to say? Your engine is built to handle more hp? I mean dang, plus really....you have to admit, the msp is a pretty damn sexy car...Hands down, there is no comparision with "handling," it is nice to have a quick car, but i would be rather caught in a car that turns heads...
Whether or not a car is sexy is totally opinionated. I've turned quite a few heads with my SRT, so I really won't know if the MSP is a head-turner until me and my wife finally get one when I get back from my deployment.
Now what is fact is on paper. The SRT-4 tears the MSP up in the straights, whereas the MSP marginally outhandles the SRT-4 in the twisties. Now don't get all defensive on me, because I like both cars. I'm just saying I'm sick of hearing this whole "my car's better in the twisties" thing. I don't autocross, nor are there any curvy roads for me to constantly drive on. Driving a car that is meant for that would be pointless. Pretty much all my driving is on the street, so straight line performance is pretty much all that gets tested.
I mean, c'mon. I used to autocross with my 93 Saturn SC2 and tear up cars that would annihilate me in the 1/4 mile. But you didn't see me bragging to them that my car is better in the twisties, cuz that don't mean crap on the street.
Now what is fact is on paper. The SRT-4 tears the MSP up in the straights, whereas the MSP marginally outhandles the SRT-4 in the twisties. Now don't get all defensive on me, because I like both cars. I'm just saying I'm sick of hearing this whole "my car's better in the twisties" thing. I don't autocross, nor are there any curvy roads for me to constantly drive on. Driving a car that is meant for that would be pointless. Pretty much all my driving is on the street, so straight line performance is pretty much all that gets tested.
I mean, c'mon. I used to autocross with my 93 Saturn SC2 and tear up cars that would annihilate me in the 1/4 mile. But you didn't see me bragging to them that my car is better in the twisties, cuz that don't mean crap on the street.
i know, i know, no beef....but if that is the case, if a fool in a chevy nova pulls up to you you still are s***...it is who rides away in the better looking car in my opinion... MSP's aren't and probably will never be known for an amazing quarter mile unless you are rich enough to do ridiculous mods but realize that it is a mid ranged performance car. People know that a 12 to 14 sec qt mile, out of a car like this, is something to be proud of....
jred, here's the answers to the other questions I didn't get to answer. The guys on my board responded and I hope that they're good enough for ya.
1. "Why would they ever put a TD04 housing on a 16g?"
Why not? It seems even PVO was surprised by what this turbo is capable of (they changed the stage two upgrade to NOT include a new turbo after seeing what the stock turbo is capable of). No lag, good upper HP limit. Seems like a pretty good choice to me.
2. "Does the SRT-4' engine have forged internals?"
No, the internals are NOT forged. The pistons are hyperuetectic cast aluminum, the rods are powdered metal (which some people will argue is forged, but in the traditional sense they are not) and the crank is cast iron.
3. "What is the difference between that 16g and say a td05h 16g that Mitsubishi made all through the 90's? Ball bearing?"
Everything, this is a new turbo designed for the SRT. Biggest differences are that it rotates backwards, and the exhaust housing is cast directly into the exhaust manifold.
1. "Why would they ever put a TD04 housing on a 16g?"
Why not? It seems even PVO was surprised by what this turbo is capable of (they changed the stage two upgrade to NOT include a new turbo after seeing what the stock turbo is capable of). No lag, good upper HP limit. Seems like a pretty good choice to me.
2. "Does the SRT-4' engine have forged internals?"
No, the internals are NOT forged. The pistons are hyperuetectic cast aluminum, the rods are powdered metal (which some people will argue is forged, but in the traditional sense they are not) and the crank is cast iron.
3. "What is the difference between that 16g and say a td05h 16g that Mitsubishi made all through the 90's? Ball bearing?"
Everything, this is a new turbo designed for the SRT. Biggest differences are that it rotates backwards, and the exhaust housing is cast directly into the exhaust manifold.
i dunno, i like the SRT-4, raw power baby! only reason why i didnt go for it (and i was looking into it) was that it seemed too extreme for daily rush hour driving which i do when i goto school. i mean, im never in the rear anyway so who cares about the windows and i could install a much better system in the SRT-4 than what came with the MSP, but its ok, im happy with my MSP and it fits me like a glove, that doesnt mean i wouldnt mind a "joy ride" in a SRT-4...come on guys, respect da car, 0-60 in 5.9 seconds for under $20k, talk about the most bang for the drag strip buck!
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all and all its still a peon.
just my .02
all and all its still a peon.
just my .02
