MSP vs SRT-4

[REMillers]

Agree on the SC roots, they were the better looking Saturns. I loved my SW2 when I had it (hey it pulled a 16.2 stock ).
Co-worker got a ION and though it is nice, it still looks more like a standard sedan to me.

 

[Apexi]

srt-4s are very nice..if you dont mind me asking..what do you pay a month? how much down..etc..

 

[QwikSRT4]

I put $0 down. Got it for $21,286 out the door. I have a 6.25% a.p.r. and pay $416/mo.

 

[jred321]

jred, here's the answers to the other questions I didn't get to answer. The guys on my board responded and I hope that they're good enough for ya.

1. "Why would they ever put a TD04 housing on a 16g?"

Why not? It seems even PVO was surprised by what this turbo is capable of (they changed the stage two upgrade to NOT include a new turbo after seeing what the stock turbo is capable of). No lag, good upper HP limit. Seems like a pretty good choice to me.

2. "Does the SRT-4' engine have forged internals?"

No, the internals are NOT forged. The pistons are hyperuetectic cast aluminum, the rods are powdered metal (which some people will argue is forged, but in the traditional sense they are not) and the crank is cast iron.

3. "What is the difference between that 16g and say a td05h 16g that Mitsubishi made all through the 90's? Ball bearing?"

Everything, this is a new turbo designed for the SRT. Biggest differences are that it rotates backwards, and the exhaust housing is cast directly into the exhaust manifold.

thanks for the answers
1. you are losing top end by not having a large compressor housing. granted, it isn't a ton since the td04 and td05 housings aren't very different in size, but mitsu even put a td05 housing on the 14b from the 1g dsm, so why would they go smaller for a larger compressor wheel? just doesn't make sense to me, especially since they have been using the td05 housing on the 16g for like 13 years, why mess with success? plus, many people who are into drag racing will upgrade to a td06 housing on dsm's for the improved flow. the td04 works, but i just think the td05 or even a td06 housing would have been a better choice.
2. nice internals, they'll take quite a bit
3. if the biggest changes to the turbo were those, it's the same turbo the direction it rotates won't help it flow any better, and the integrated housing *may* make it spool up a little quicker but will make it harder to port and upgrade. the big things to change would have been compressor size, turbine size, bearings, etc... those are the real things that make one turbo different from the other, like the difference between the 16g and the 20g, the main reason the 20g makes more power is the larger compressor wheel.
thanks for the info

oh yea, they are both good cars. each has strengths and weaknesses but for the money they are both very good options. i just feel the msp is a slightly better all around car, which is why i bought this over the srt, but i'm sure if i bought the srt i would be perfectly happy with it too, just no dealers around here had one for me to even test drive or look at, and i like going the not so obvious route anyways. anyone who says the srt is a bad car needs to come out of their own world and step into reality