MS6 Owners.. Where do you have your Methanol nozzle?

[Haltech]

Im about to order a meth kit and was wondering where you placed your nozzle? Did you purchase a bung and weld it to the CAI or just thread into the existing cai? thanks

 

[MS6mike]

i think you are going to be the first whit that setup!

 

[Haltech]

I figured there has to be one of you MS6 guys with a methanol kit!!

 

[BoostedSpd6]

i was thinking of doing the same setup,and i was thinking of putting a bung in where that piece connects the CAI to the turbo intake pipe, and also putting a spray kit on the intercooler since i have the ETS 3.5 but im not too sure its going to fit without hitting the plactic air duct that goes over the intercooler. if i get it done ill post pics in the how to section.

 

[Haltech]

Im going to JB weld the bung about 5 inches past the MAF on the drivers side of the CAI pipe. It will be easy to hook a subbie intercooler nozzle to the system with a y adapter.. I was thinking of placing the intercooler nozzle directing into the black piece of the intercooler on the hood.

 

[BoostedSpd6]

haha wow didnt even think of splitting it with a Y...good idea. well like i said ill post up some pics once i get it done which wont be for a few weeks im waiting on a bunch of stuff from SU to come in then ill do it all at once.

 

[Haltech]

haha wow didnt even think of splitting it with a Y...good idea. well like i said ill post up some pics once i get it done which wont be for a few weeks im waiting on a bunch of stuff from SU to come in then ill do it all at once.

Good deal, keep in touch and see what we come up with (thumb)

 

[MrTea]

wait, your putting the meth in front of the turbo? i think the snow kit said like 12-18 inches from the TB or something?

 

[Chris-BE]

Hate to break it to you but you aren't the first.

What kit are you getting? Snow Performance kit?

You'd be wise to set up the injector(s) at the cold pipe just before the throttle body.

I'd also suggest getting a tuner.

Have fun.

 

[Killer]

zoom zoom boom.

 

[4DRHTRD]

Couple of important things:
1. You need to place it pre-throttle body
2. You need to lean out the fuel when using meth
3. You need a progressive controller or it will bog
Tons of info on the Evo forums about this

 

[forrestang]

Meth will make a lot of power on the speed. I know that for sure!!!

 

[Haltech]

Well ive used Meth on my lightning... the nozzle goes right after the MAF... squirts the meth into the t-body, through the intercooler, into the blower, into the intake... Same with my nitrous setup. Are you saying im going to have an issue on the MS3 because that air is going into the turbo, through the intercooler, to the tbody?

Now, where the fruck is the Tbody at? Is it after the intercooler pipe at the back of the motor? I cant tune it since the PNP adapter isnt available yet, but i think the MS3 will make good power with it until its tuned. It will get colder air and more octane. I figured someone here has done it on their MS6, so i was seeking advice where your nozzle went.I think if we all put out heads together, we can get this to work really well.

 

[forrestang]

Well ive used Meth on my lightning... the nozzle goes right after the MAF... squirts the meth into the t-body, through the intercooler, into the blower, into the intake... Same with my nitrous setup. Are you saying im going to have an issue on the MS3 because that air is going into the turbo, through the intercooler, to the tbody?

Now, where the fruck is the Tbody at? Is it after the intercooler pipe at the back of the motor? I cant tune it since the PNP adapter isnt available yet, but i think the MS3 will make good power with it until its tuned. It will get colder air and more octane. I figured someone here has done it on their MS6, so i was seeking advice where your nozzle went.I think if we all put out heads together, we can get this to work really well.

Now you've got the intercooler in your way. So you want to inject it post intercooler.

The TB is right in front as you're staring at the car, behind the radiator. You will see it as the cold pipe from intercoooler feeds into it.

I think you're gonna have a problem with running the car until you can tune it. As you will probably need to remove some of the fuel from the stock tune. But maybe you might be lucky.

Expect to see your A/F reaaaaaly richen up upon meth injection.....I think CPE is working on a Meth controller?

 

[Haltech]

Now you've got the intercooler in your way. So you want to inject it post intercooler.

The TB is right in front as you're staring at the car, behind the radiator. You will see it as the cold pipe from intercoooler feeds into it.

I think you're gonna have a problem with running the car until you can tune it. As you will probably need to remove some of the fuel from the stock tune. But maybe you might be lucky.

Expect to see your A/F reaaaaaly richen up upon meth injection.....I think CPE is working on a Meth controller?

Meth controller as far as auto inject based off MAF voltage or a stand alone setup? I wasnt aware of them coming out with a meth kit. Thanks.

 

[Haltech]

yeah, they are designing a meth injection kit.... I'm hoping for some good details before the end of the summer! They might have to make it use a stand alone controller for now, but maybe the Gen2 standback will have the controller functionality there as well - to consolidate things a little bit!

Thanks for the info. Ill try to give them a call and see whats up.

 

[jbspeed6]

Just purchased the Snow Performance stage2 kit with the MAF controller. I will be installing it this weekend and will post results. It will probably richen me back into the 10's, but I can live with that for now.

 

[Professor MSP]

Couple of important things:
1. You need to place it pre-throttle body
2. You need to lean out the fuel when using meth
3. You need a progressive controller or it will bog
Tons of info on the Evo forums about this

I agree with all of the above points, but would like to add some further remarks based on my experience with alcohol/water injection on my MSP and my research on the subject.

1. The general rule-of-thumb seems to be to place the nozzle after the intercooler on a turbo set up, after the MAF, and as close to the throttle body as possible. This is how I have my system installed.

2. If you are spraying 100% methanol the A/F ratio will indeed fall, so you should have a means to pull gasoline. When spraying a 50/50 mix of denatured alcohol and distilled water, my A/F ratio did not change appreciably, but that could just be my car. This information is dyno verified. I cannot speak to the effect of other alcohol/water mixes on my A/F ratio.

3. You can still bog with a progressive controller if you have the min and max buttons close and run 100% duty cycle on the pump with a sufficiently large nozzleI know because I did (I tried to do it on purpose for testing). The progressive controller allows one a rather large range of adjustment (at least the Coolingmist product that I have does) so that the bog can be eliminated.

4. Spraying alcohol/water without a tune designed for it will not, in general, yield significant horsepower and torque gainsit might if you had significant detonation beforehand and the alcohol/water injection eliminated it. In my case alcohol/water injection netted me only a few additional ponies without tuning for it. Once tuned for the additional alcohol/water, however, the car responds like never before!

Again, I would like to point out that these comments are based on my experience with my MSP and rather extensive research on the subject of alcohol/water injection.

 

[Haltech]

I agree with all of the above points, but would like to add some further remarks based on my experience with alcohol/water injection on my MSP and my research on the subject.

1. The general rule-of-thumb seems to be to place the nozzle after the intercooler on a turbo set up, after the MAF, and as close to the throttle body as possible. This is how I have my system installed.

2. If you are spraying 100% methanol the A/F ratio will indeed fall, so you should have a means to pull gasoline. When spraying a 50/50 mix of denatured alcohol and distilled water, my A/F ratio did not change appreciably, but that could just be my car. This information is dyno verified. I cannot speak to the effect of other alcohol/water mixes on my A/F ratio.

3. You can still bog with a progressive controller if you have the min and max buttons close and run 100% duty cycle on the pump with a sufficiently large nozzleI know because I did (I tried to do it on purpose for testing). The progressive controller allows one a rather large range of adjustment (at least the Coolingmist product that I have does) so that the bog can be eliminated.

4. Spraying alcohol/water without a tune designed for it will not, in general, yield significant horsepower and torque gainsit might if you had significant detonation beforehand and the alcohol/water injection eliminated it. In my case alcohol/water injection netted me only a few additional ponies without tuning for it. Once tuned for the additional alcohol/water, however, the car responds like never before!

Again, I would like to point out that these comments are based on my experience with my MSP and rather extensive research on the subject of alcohol/water injection.

Very good info, thanks my friend! (thumb)

 

[Captain KRM P5]

I figured there has to be one of you MS6 guys with a methanol kit!!

we're doing one on ours very soon. just dialed in 24psi on the GT3071 and XEDE today and need some more fun for the strip