I believe he meant space in the car for storage... like groceries and snow board or ski gear...
MS3 vs. Evo X?
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I believe he meant space in the car for storage... like groceries and snow board or ski gear...
Young Roids
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^Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhh ok. Makes sense. lol@ me
(iagree) Yeah the Speed3 has that all around average day grunt and ability to go to a track and also stuff A LOT of things in it. The EVO is basically the BADASS big dog that is capable of insane things, but you pay to play. Both have a lot to offer for whatever type of person you are.
I personally would take the ms3 over the evo...and i am purely speaking for myself and my experience...I would rather have a car that is fun and is modable that i can afford to mod. When I bought my wrx i could have easily just bought the sti but would never leave me any $ to mod it or to pay off some bills that i have. for me the cheaper priced, yet still fun car, made sense. Another thing you must consider is maintance( another reason I didn't buy the sti)...the evo will cost you alot more to keep on the road...if you don't believe me call and ask and mitsu dealer how much a complete brake job is. brembo's are nice...nice and expensive! Also for me I knew i could make the wrx as fast in a straight line, or faster, as the sti. I personally do not auto x...so the suspension and brakes are kind of a waste on me. I would like to have the transmission though, but that will be taken care of in the next 12 months.
Before you buy anything weigh out all the options as there are alot to think of...some that you may have never thought twice about and then regret.
Before you buy anything weigh out all the options as there are alot to think of...some that you may have never thought twice about and then regret.
http://www.caranddriver.com/preview...evolution-gsr-what-makes-it-happen-page3.html
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR
"The 100 or so pounds it gained means the Evo X is slower than its predecessor, but not by much. The 5.0-second 0-to-60-mph time we recorded is 0.4 second slower than the Evo MR we tested in May 2005 but quicker than the last Evolution Special Edition we tested for CARandDRIVER.com."
"But don't judge the MR strictly by its straight-line numbers—the Evo X is much faster along a curving road than the old car. Contemplate the staggering skidpad number of 0.97 g from 245/40R-18 tires while we explain all the abbreviations that make it happen."
http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/download/mitlan_evo_x_08_ss.pdf
Here is how they compare using Car and Driver data:
2007 Mazdaspeed 3 GT
0-60 5.4 sec
0-100 13.6 sec
1/4 mile 14.0 @ 101 mph
Rolling 5-60 mph 6.0 sec
Top Gear 30-50 10.5 sec
Top Gear 50-70 6.7 sec
Top Speed 151 mph (drag ltd.)
Braking 70-0 ft. 162 ft.
Roadholding .85 g
Weight 3185 lb.
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR
0-60 5.0 sec
0-100 13.4 sec
1/4 mile 13.8 @ 102 mph
Rolling 5-60 mph 6.6 sec
Top Gear 30-50 8.5 sec
Top Gear 50-70 5.0 sec
Top Speed 155 mph (gov. ltd.)
Braking 70-0 ft. 159 ft.
Roadholding .97 g
Weight 3500 lb. (est)
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR
"The 100 or so pounds it gained means the Evo X is slower than its predecessor, but not by much. The 5.0-second 0-to-60-mph time we recorded is 0.4 second slower than the Evo MR we tested in May 2005 but quicker than the last Evolution Special Edition we tested for CARandDRIVER.com."
"But don't judge the MR strictly by its straight-line numbers—the Evo X is much faster along a curving road than the old car. Contemplate the staggering skidpad number of 0.97 g from 245/40R-18 tires while we explain all the abbreviations that make it happen."
http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/download/mitlan_evo_x_08_ss.pdf
Here is how they compare using Car and Driver data:
2007 Mazdaspeed 3 GT
0-60 5.4 sec
0-100 13.6 sec
1/4 mile 14.0 @ 101 mph
Rolling 5-60 mph 6.0 sec
Top Gear 30-50 10.5 sec
Top Gear 50-70 6.7 sec
Top Speed 151 mph (drag ltd.)
Braking 70-0 ft. 162 ft.
Roadholding .85 g
Weight 3185 lb.
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR
0-60 5.0 sec
0-100 13.4 sec
1/4 mile 13.8 @ 102 mph
Rolling 5-60 mph 6.6 sec
Top Gear 30-50 8.5 sec
Top Gear 50-70 5.0 sec
Top Speed 155 mph (gov. ltd.)
Braking 70-0 ft. 159 ft.
Roadholding .97 g
Weight 3500 lb. (est)
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To me, the new Evo is going to be the MS3 version of the next level up car. It's softened up a bit to accomodate the non racing daily drivers who want a fast car and maybe get into modding.
I kinda think that most people who could actually afford this car would get it over an MS3 considering the AWD and eventual power capabilities. If this car can be drivin like a regular car in traffic but then when you want, shred up the highway, it sounds like a winner to me (usa) Especially since you can drive it in the snow.
I kinda think that most people who could actually afford this car would get it over an MS3 considering the AWD and eventual power capabilities. If this car can be drivin like a regular car in traffic but then when you want, shred up the highway, it sounds like a winner to me (usa) Especially since you can drive it in the snow.
really?? what maintance have you had to have done to each car?
MSP
oil changes with mobil 1
brake pads/rotors because the crappy stock brake pads left large deposits on the stock rotors
probably an air filter
i sold it at around 25k miles so not much had to be done. the 30k service was coming up though
Evo
oil changes with mobil 1 (1 extra quart per change over the MSP)
brake pads
air filter every 15k
tires
30k service consisting of:
coolant
trans fluid
diff fluid
tcase fluid
currently has around 32k on it
the differences are:
extra quart of oil per change (like $5)
tires - the MSP would have needed them relatively soon as well, wear rating is similar on both stock tires though the evo's wear out slightly quicker
extra fluids (diff and tcase)
both the brakes and tires were replaced with longer wearing items because i DD my car and don't track it. for my use they'll still perform exactly the same as the stock components but will last longer and aren't absurdly priced like the stock stuff.
pretty much nobody replaces the stock brembo pads with stock brembo pads, they're way overpriced and don't perform any better than any number of aftermarket pads. i also didn't replace the stock MSP pads/rotors with OEM stuff because again, it's way overpriced
so are they exactly the same cost to maintain? no. the real difference is the extra quart of oil and the extra fluids. $5/quart * 10 oil changes so far = $50. probably another $50 worth of tcase/diff fluids. so a total of $100 difference (not factoring in the rotors i had to buy for the msp) to go roughly 30k on each
Young Roids
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This right here is convincing me to go for the MS3. A couple of things that really stand out to me is 1.the curb weight, 3183 vs about 3500 2. the 5-60 times 6.0 vs 6.6 THese two categories are very important to me. And let's not forget about the huge price gap that we have aswell So this leaves me leaning HEAVILY twords the MS3 now.
i'm sure it's accurate to what they ran on the day they had the car under the conditions they ran it in. whether or not its what the car is capable of is another story. its why the only real way to do comparisons between different cars is to have them at the same place on the same day, otherwise you're going to see differences due to things like elevation changes, track conditions, temperature, humidity, etc.... Everything else will let you ballpark one car vs another but won't be a direct comparison. once real people start driving them you'll be able to see what they can truly do because they'll be testing out all different configurations and won't be as afraid to abuse it. it's why people have seen sub 13s on stock evo 9s but magazines rarely report lower than a 13.3
Dropping the 4g63 may be a mistake. I bet the evo IV has the better of the two (as far as holding up to high hp). The new engine is aluminum and not DI. Every turbo car puts out a ton of heat and when you run high boost with bigger turbo I see bad things happening to that engine (compared to the 4g63) . The engine will still be better then most 4 cylinder engines but not as good as the latest 4g63. As far as the rest of the car I'm sure it will be really good. I like how they got further away from the evo VIII look. I like the evo IX a lot, but I don't like the VIII that much at all, for many other reasons too.
I think the X will be all around great but I'm just kinda sad to see the 4g63 leave the evo's...
I think the X will be all around great but I'm just kinda sad to see the 4g63 leave the evo's...
I just checked Road and Track magazine and they gave the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR a 0-60 time of 5.2 seconds and 1/4 mile time of 13.8 @ 100 mph which is pretty close to the Car and Driver times of 0-60 in 5.0 seconds with a 1/4 mile time of 13.8 @ 102 mph.
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keep in mind that the first time they drove our car, they thought that we had a 0-60 time of like 5.9sec and 1/4 mile of like 14.6sec...now they're down to a 5.4sec/14.0sec. these are all first impressions, so who the heck knows how it actually compares unless you put the cars side by side.
Drag limited at 151 mph? Pretty sure people have got their stock ms3 up to 155.
155 on the speedo or GPS verified? speedos are off by a good amount at those speeds typically
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The 08 Evo's are slower than the previous 05-06 Evo9's. The times are about right and the MS3 should be a drivers race from a roll against one. The MS3 got up to 265KMPH 163mph on the autobahn. The MS3's in the states are rated (Governed)155mph. But who knows......................
Not to ruin the spirit of the discussion, but does the top speed really matter to us non-F1 drivers? I'm past the dumb age (testosterone infused 18~25 age) when I was brave (or dumb) enough test the top speeds of cars. No offense to the folks with ages between 18~25... just trying to make a point. *^_^*
