Just got my Oct. issue of Motor Trend and they have an "as tested" 0-60 time of 5.8 sec. I think the torque limited 1&2 gears raise the #'s some as I am sure with a little tuning and some racing slicks (or even better street tires) a low five is very possible.
MS3 Official 0-60 times
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I picked up the October issue of Sport Compact Car earlier this week and they had the first and so far only test drive of the Mazdaspeed 3.
In the second paragraph of the article they say "After long negotiations with Mazda North American Operations, Sport Compact Car secured the exclusive North American test drive of the 2007 Mazdaspeed3 during the "final production confirmation" at its premier test track facility Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca in Monterey, California."
They give a full write-up of the Mazdaspeed program and how the car performed around the track. No slolum testing, braking distance tests, or 0-60 times were recorded by the team. They were there as tag-alongs for the final testing by Mazda before they release the car to the U.S. public. But they didn't just stand in the pits and take notes, many of the SCC guys got the drive the cars and push them however they wanted.
They do state that Mazda claims 263 bhp, 280 lb-ft torque, 0-60 under 6 seconds, and a top speed of 155 mph. They also make the assertion that its only competitor is the currently un-released Dodge Caliber SRT-4 which they claim to have around 300 bhp. I smiled a bit when I read the caption of a photo which reads "With plenty of room for two passengers, a jack, tools, and four spare wheels and tires, this may be the ultimate track car."
I won't summarize the whole thing because it is a 12 page write-up and an excellent read, so go buy it!
In the second paragraph of the article they say "After long negotiations with Mazda North American Operations, Sport Compact Car secured the exclusive North American test drive of the 2007 Mazdaspeed3 during the "final production confirmation" at its premier test track facility Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca in Monterey, California."
They give a full write-up of the Mazdaspeed program and how the car performed around the track. No slolum testing, braking distance tests, or 0-60 times were recorded by the team. They were there as tag-alongs for the final testing by Mazda before they release the car to the U.S. public. But they didn't just stand in the pits and take notes, many of the SCC guys got the drive the cars and push them however they wanted.
They do state that Mazda claims 263 bhp, 280 lb-ft torque, 0-60 under 6 seconds, and a top speed of 155 mph. They also make the assertion that its only competitor is the currently un-released Dodge Caliber SRT-4 which they claim to have around 300 bhp. I smiled a bit when I read the caption of a photo which reads "With plenty of room for two passengers, a jack, tools, and four spare wheels and tires, this may be the ultimate track car."
I won't summarize the whole thing because it is a 12 page write-up and an excellent read, so go buy it!
Boston5761
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i say a 5.4-5.6, 0-60 time..
SilverBulletES
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I'm guessing Car and Driver will get 5.6 seconds out of it.
One thing "holding it back" is you need to shift to 3rd right before 60.
Passing power is going to be sick regardless. And that's all that matters to me. I stopped dumping my clutch when I was 17....
OK OK..... 21.
One thing "holding it back" is you need to shift to 3rd right before 60.
Passing power is going to be sick regardless. And that's all that matters to me. I stopped dumping my clutch when I was 17....
OK OK..... 21.
SilverBulletES said:I'm guessing Car and Driver will get 5.6 seconds out of it.
One thing "holding it back" is you need to shift to 3rd right before 60.
Passing power is going to be sick regardless. And that's all that matters to me. I stopped dumping my clutch when I was 17....
OK OK..... 21.
Redline that mofo to 60 in second gear!!!! I just got the sport compact mag with the MS3 in it. They state that 'mazdaspeed benchmarked a wide range of cars globally, including hte Dodge Neon Srt-4, Subaru WRX, VW GTI (MkIV), and ford focus RS. In adddition, "stretch targets" like the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo and Subaru WRX STI were evaluated to see how the Mazdaspeed3 fairs against the very best in the sport compact universe." This car is no joke and i think it will perform much better than we're all thinking right now. Call me crazy but I'm going to estimate a low 5 second 0-60 time...if you can get that car to 60 in second gear. If the first year srt-4 was able to nail 0-60 in 5.4 seconds, i'm going to give the ms3 5.3...if the shift has to occur to third then there goes that estimate. This will be a badass ride regardless. After I read the article today I really got excited about this car. I was a big fan of the ms6, but I think this car will blow it out of the water.
I read the SCC article also. Stupid Dave Coleman, all he cares about is speed and hp. He thinks the new SRT-4 will compare to the MS3. Besides the car being ugly and cheap, it is going to be heavy as hell and have a rediculous amount of wheel spin, lsd or not. And I HIGHLY doubt it will even handle well. I guess we will see, but I could care less how fast the SRT-4 will be, I still would never buy one. Now a Charger SRT-8, that is a completely different story.
SilverBulletES
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Exactly. 1/4 mile and how it compares in autocross are all that matter to me. The latter being more important.
5 to 65 is a more interesting time to me than 0 to 60. Unless you want to replace your clutch every 15K miles and get reckless driving charges....
Bucketloads of torque is your friend!
5 to 65 is a more interesting time to me than 0 to 60. Unless you want to replace your clutch every 15K miles and get reckless driving charges....
Bucketloads of torque is your friend!
Red line doesnt exactly mean your getting all the power out of it you should. The power band has to dip somewhere up there, so Im sure shifting a bit earlier would provide better results by keeping it buried it the power band. Either way, a shift = lost time.
mazdadude
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Mopho said:
(RTM) That is a good term! Mechanical sympathy usually prevails with my driving too.
Sure when I was younger, there was no such thing as mechanical sympathy, that is until I started having to "fix" the abused cars.
Nowadays, the only vehicles I do not show mechanical sympathy for, are rental cars. (make sure you spend the extra $ on the damage waiver)(glare)
I agree, that a low to mid six seconds would be available to those who aren't driving it like they stole it.
Keep Zooming
When it all comes down to it, it doesn't really matter. Nobody races/drives from 0-60. If your interested in acceleration 1/4 times are a much better judge. The car is going to be fast regardless. I use 0-60 times as a way to judge the effectiveness of the cars torque since most of my driving is in the lower rpm's.Mopho said:
RHAGEL said:
The time for 0-60 accounts for nearly half of the total 1/4 mile time on a street car like this, so I'd say it matters a lot. 1/4 mile times don't necessarily apply to real life situations. Besides, drag racing is boring until you are doing sub 9's IMO, and even then, it is still boring
0-60 is important since it gives you a sense of how quickly a car can get across an intersection in an emergency situation or how fast the car can accelerate up to freeway speed. I don't think that 0-60 is a good measure of a cars low end torque since you are revving the car up to high rpm's and sidestepping the clutch to get a good launch.
The 5-60 rolling start is the measurement you are looking for.
The MS3 has plenty of low end torque, but the engine management pulls boost in the first two gears to control torque steer and wheelspin, so combined with the shift to third, the 0-60 time suffers. Car is really fast in third gear and up and with the minimal turbo lag and torque, you can be in third for the tight and twisties.
