Considering it has a lsd in it already I really don't think theres a need for the boost retardation. Also it has less than 250 hp, I don't think coming from the factory its going to be a tire burner unless thats what your trying to do, personally I think its annoying. As for flat shifting through the gears, drive by wire or not, I don't think thats smart to say your not going to cause any harm by it. It may not affect your motor at all, it does have a rev limiter, but doing that isn't going to have your clutch lasting long at all. Also, I have a 280whp gsr, I don't need drag slicks and it's almost 1000lbs lighter than my msp3. And what the hell is bov work, that has nothing to do with making horspower at all. A major problem I have on forums is people posting incorrect or ignorant information. By doing so your giving people that are less knowledgable and trying to learn something a big misinterpretation of what they should be doing with there car.fourthmeal said:
MS3 a let down!!
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WTF MATE said:
I thought the HP was 263? In addition with a couple of mods it's even more...so...yea it's got some stuff. Good stuff. Also you know at some time some will be able to crack the code sota speak and maybe get the restriction lifted in say second gear.
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That is the factory rated flywheel horsepower, your not getting all that at the wheels. Dynos have shown 220ish hp and 250-260 wheel tourque. Which is still enough to use better tires than the car comes with, and to the guy with the 280 gsr, I refuse to belive you don't have traction issues probly up through 3rd if not a little in 4th depending on how hard you shift it. And your probly on a bigger turbo making power higher and not spooling as low as the mini turbo on the ms3. Are you still running it with v-tec and tuning it to work with the turbo? I would like to see a dyno graph, just to see how much of a curve it has.
It doesn't have a turbo, its running on a 2.0l stroker. It will lose traction up into third and fourth but is easliy managable with the lsd and some throttle control. But yes it has vtec, and my speed 3 came with brigstone potenza re050s, those are some pretty damn good tires imo. I don't think they could have really used anything better, unless you want to be paying $300 a tire for some michelin pilots. But as for my powerband i'm running a 306 duration intake and 302 exhaust so its pretty damn smooth.zoom-zoomhatch said:
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You've got serious money in that thing to be putting out 280whp all motor huh? My ls was boosted running 312whp 337wtq. But with smooth power delivery I would imagine you wouln't have the problems of such sudden increases in power as you would find in turbo applications.
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Things to look fowards to...
Cobb- Accessport
CAI
CBE or TB
"F" all the dyno runs, its a TMIC that they dyno and dont give it enough air as it would have then normally driving the car on the street.
I think to own one it will make anyone love this car.... Im going into a month now, and its still a blast, even when i have 3 or 4 buddies in it... still stompin
I just cannot wait for the mods to pull through, just accessport will be adding a grip of hp/tq, on this pig rich, limited gear boost, monster
Cobb- Accessport
CAI
CBE or TB
"F" all the dyno runs, its a TMIC that they dyno and dont give it enough air as it would have then normally driving the car on the street.
I think to own one it will make anyone love this car.... Im going into a month now, and its still a blast, even when i have 3 or 4 buddies in it... still stompin
I just cannot wait for the mods to pull through, just accessport will be adding a grip of hp/tq, on this pig rich, limited gear boost, monster
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That and I've heard that after the intake and exhaust that the mazdaspeed car had on it in a import tuner mag I just got said that it actually makes power to redline. I can't wait to see the potential of this car once modifications start to hit the market.
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zoom-zoomhatch said:
just got to be patient, there are products hitting the streets but we gotta figure out the best combo
Its going to be great, and it will help the MS3 keep up/pass up with some cars that are in another class, i wont mention names cause i dont want to hear bitchen
(enguard)
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Yell03SpecV said:
really?
Yea its been my baby for the past 2 years or so. I've had other toys in the meantime but always kept this one. I had a turbo b18 in for a little while but I was running a t66 and like you said once the turbo kicked in and fully spooled up I only had about 3000rpms or so to play with(4500-7500rpm). So I decided to go the allmotor route. Now Power from 3000k all the way to past 10,000. Yea theres some money tied up in it I guess, I'm selling it all now tho, I got to get out of the honda seen for a little bit, that and I missed having a turbocharged vehicle.zoom-zoomhatch said:
Personally, I love the MS3. I've had other turbo cars and have driven quite a few heavily modded ones. (420hp 2.0l dahlback TT and a Greddy twinT 350Z)
Stock, this car is awesome. I had a fair amount of work in my previous 1.8T GTI and this car makes it seem like it was a waste of money. My wife was VERY impressed with my GTI. She loved that car. Instant turbo spool up, lots of torque. She thought it was super fast. Honestly, it would hold its own. Today, we merged onto the interstate and I laid into it a little in 3rd gear. She said "whoa!"
It's not an STI. It's not an EVO. You can't compare a 23k FWD car to a 37k AWD car. Comparing it to the GTI, and the Civic, it's a hard value to beat. Besides, I've had people in other tuner cars damned near break their neck looking at my car. The best part? I have 5 years and 60k to break this engine and drivetrain.
Stock, this car is awesome. I had a fair amount of work in my previous 1.8T GTI and this car makes it seem like it was a waste of money. My wife was VERY impressed with my GTI. She loved that car. Instant turbo spool up, lots of torque. She thought it was super fast. Honestly, it would hold its own. Today, we merged onto the interstate and I laid into it a little in 3rd gear. She said "whoa!"
It's not an STI. It's not an EVO. You can't compare a 23k FWD car to a 37k AWD car. Comparing it to the GTI, and the Civic, it's a hard value to beat. Besides, I've had people in other tuner cars damned near break their neck looking at my car. The best part? I have 5 years and 60k to break this engine and drivetrain.
fourthmeal
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Ahh...where do I begin? First point (or counter-point),you've no idea what you are talking about if you think I'm posting incorrect or ignorant information. I've been in this game (the power adder game) a long time, and I know how to make power, and how to handle it. The MS3 is a new car to me, but turbos and their idiosyncrasies aren't. Second, because you asked for it, "BOV work" for me is the redesign of the BOV or recirc. system to better handle boost spikes that occur when the throttle is shut, yet the turbo is still compressing air. Stock BOVs tend to flutter or be slow to react, the effect of which is undesirable. Therefore, its always a good idea to make sure that your turbo car's BOV or recirc valve is up to par with the rest of the system, which it usually isn't. Third, my car (as all of our MS3's) IS a tire burner. Unless you modulate the throttle, or have slicks on, the car will roast the tires in first and second gear! I will concede that it is probably more of a tire burner here in Vegas, where the roads suck for traction. The lack of rain likely causes this. So, out here at least, the car is a tire roaster. Maybe not for you, if you live where the roads are better for grip. Fourth, flat shifting through the gears shouldn't be a problem, for the clutch or the engine, if you follow my simple advice of not doing it until 3rd gear. Makes sense anyways, because the shifter doesn't like to be rushed in the first few gears as it is. So, no, flat shifting from 1st to 2nd, and 2nd to 3rd would be a mistake, and yes, the clutch would wear quickly, but thats not what I said, now was it? After the car is moving along in 3rd, you can easily flat 4th and 5th, and hell 6th if you have the road room. At those speeds, the trans doesn't care, and the clutch doesn't either. The entire point of my post was that the car isn't slow, doesn't dissapoint, and has a lot of potential.
WTF MATE said:
Ahh...where do I begin? First point (or counter-point),you've no idea what you are talking about if you think I'm posting incorrect or ignorant information. I've been in this game (the power adder game) a long time, and I know how to make power, and how to handle it. The MS3 is a new car to me, but turbos and their idiosyncrasies aren't. Second, because you asked for it, "BOV work" for me is the redesign of the BOV or recirc. system to better handle boost spikes that occur when the throttle is shut, yet the turbo is still compressing air. Stock BOVs tend to flutter or be slow to react, the effect of which is undesirable. Therefore, its always a good idea to make sure that your turbo car's BOV or recirc valve is up to par with the rest of the system, which it usually isn't. Third, my car (as all of our MS3's) IS a tire burner. Unless you modulate the throttle, or have slicks on, the car will roast the tires in first and second gear! I will concede that it is probably more of a tire burner here in Vegas, where the roads suck for traction. The lack of rain likely causes this. So, out here at least, the car is a tire roaster. Maybe not for you, if you live where the roads are better for grip. Fourth, flat shifting through the gears shouldn't be a problem, for the clutch or the engine, if you follow my simple advice of not doing it until 3rd gear. Makes sense anyways, because the shifter doesn't like to be rushed in the first few gears as it is. So, no, flat shifting from 1st to 2nd, and 2nd to 3rd would be a mistake, and yes, the clutch would wear quickly, but thats not what I said, now was it? After the car is moving along in 3rd, you can easily flat 4th and 5th, and hell 6th if you have the road room. At those speeds, the trans doesn't care, and the clutch doesn't either. The entire point of my post was that the car isn't slow, doesn't dissapoint, and has a lot of potential.
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fourthmeal
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I read it was 14 lbs. I found this on Edmunds, is that what you mean?
3153 lbs. Speed3 Sport
2930 lbs. 3 Sport
223 lbs difference. I'd have to suspect: larger wheels, larger tires, bigger brakes, a small amount of bracing weight, the turbo, intercooler, and larger 6 speed trans, and the limited slip diff.
What did you find?
3153 lbs. Speed3 Sport
2930 lbs. 3 Sport
223 lbs difference. I'd have to suspect: larger wheels, larger tires, bigger brakes, a small amount of bracing weight, the turbo, intercooler, and larger 6 speed trans, and the limited slip diff.
What did you find?
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