MS Turbo question

[oldmazda]

all the tubing is PLASTIC. Most turbo cars I have seen have aluminun tubing, why? to save money? how long until the plastic melts?

 

[t3ase]

To save money, I assume. Some people say it wouldn't pass the safety tests, but I think that's more of a denial type of excuse than anything else.

My pipe from the I/C to the BPV literally came *unglued* Wednesday night. I have not taken it back to the dealer yet, it's just duct taped right now.

 

[1338]

i questioned that aslo. i guess to save money. it was not long before mine blew a big hole in it. close to the exhause mani. where the pipe can strech.

 

[Dexter]

i dont understand the whole "it wont pass crash tests" statement. im not saying its false, i just dont understand how aluminum piping wouldnt just crumple in the case of an accident. even if it didnt crumple, how could it injure anyone? steel is way stronger than aluminum, so how could i go through the firewall to hurt thr driver or passenger?

 

[KyRaceFan]

plastic piping flows less than metal piping, could be they made a car with way more hp than targeted, and then put a lot of restrictions on it to bring it down
Adding better piping will net you more boost and more power!
Especially, intercooler, turbo inlet, intake, etc.

 

[irr5302]

his is clasic in mazda the same problem have the rx7 tt 93-95

the pipes is plastic and break in blow out with the time

all for save little$

i want purchase good pipe for my msp and big intercooler in the front

irr5302
1239/2000

 

[mspeedpro]

woudl replacing are plastic pipes be any cause to void warranty, i know i know. theyd have to prove....... but could it be used against warranty?

 

[MoSqUiTo]

yea that is a good question..will replacing the plastic tubes with aluminum or steel void warranty? and about how much should it cost and about how much hp will be gained?

 

[hesitationhater]

yea that is a good question..will replacing the plastic tubes with aluminum or steel void warranty? and about how much should it cost and about how much hp will be gained?

It would be hard to prove that any hard pipe caused a failure, It doesn't add a bunch of HP or really do anything bad, so I think no.

ION performance is coming out with hard pipes in a couple of weeks that will also be compatible with a FMIC kit, should you decide that you want to get one down the road. I think you can run the stock BPV with their pipes which is nice, but I don't know price.(uhm)

 

[starflare21]

"most turbo cars"? i'd assume you're talking about many aftermarket or upgraded turbo systems. most stock systems are made either out of rubber or plastic hosing to save on costs (also mainly because the manufacturer doesn't forsee the user nor probably condones the user to up the boost well past stock). hard pipes will definitely help when running high boost, a larger size may also be beneficial (to a size extent of course).

 

[mazdaspeedpower]

I will be getting a garage to make and install all polished metal pipes on my car. I thought it would be a good show thing for my engine, but it sounds like it may help my perfomance in that the metal will flow better than the plastic, it will probably also be a slightly bit bigger diameter inside than the plastic. When i get this done, not soon but eventually, i will post.

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

all the tubing is PLASTIC. Most turbo cars I have seen have aluminun tubing, why? to save money? how long until the plastic melts?

actually, i've yet to see a stock turbo car with aluminum pipes. most pipes now are plastic or the more popular silicone

 

[MazdaspeedZOOM]

so what's the best material to go with if you wanted hard pipes, aluminum, steel, obvioulsy somthing that didn't heat up real qucik, but all metals are pretty much a heat conductor. I mean i could probably find a place to make hard pipes, but what's a good material to use???

 

[I-Am-Chris]

Re: Re: MS Turbo question

actually, i've yet to see a stock turbo car with aluminum pipes. most pipes now are plastic or the more popular silicone

I second that. I dont think I have ever seen a factory turbo car with metal piping.

 

[JDM Sam]

the reason for plastic piping is cost and heat resistance. metal piping absorbs heat. so plan on some heat wrap or thermal coating.

 

[MSP Chris]

I agree with JDM sam. Here is a quick test, drive your car for a hour. Pop you hood and put your hand on those stock "plactic" pipes. WOW kinda hot. Now find a car with aluminum tubing...have fun scolding your Fu*king hand ...lol. Anyways I believe the companies do this to save money and also keep IAT "intake air temps" down. If you know your HP theory. The colder denser charge of air the more bang.

Now I am not sure about that whole steel tubing idea. Steel may be alittle stronger but alot heavier, have fun bending those pipes, and I can't say I've seen a steel intercooler kit.

I'd go with aluminum and of course powder coated to resist some heat. Then pay a vist to www.designengineering.com . They seem to have their s*** straight. Plus they sell the bad ass CRYOGENTIC freeze kit for your intercooler.

 

[adamlewis]

the reason for plastic piping is cost and heat resistance. metal piping absorbs heat. so plan on some heat wrap or thermal coating.

Yes metal does absorb heat, but aluminum also radiates it away at a very high rate.

I guess we should just use plastic radiators from now on too, eh?

 

[perfworks]

his is clasic in mazda the same problem have the rx7 tt 93-95

the pipes is plastic and break in blow out with the time

all for save little$

i want purchase good pipe for my msp and big intercooler in the front

irr5302
1239/2000

You can contact me thru email or PM. we have a kit w/ FMIC and piping

 

[perfworks]

Re: Re: Re: MS Turbo question

I second that. I dont think I have ever seen a factory turbo car with metal piping.

Mitsu evo

 

[murdock_]

aluminum piping isnt reeally nessecary