MPI Tuner Anyone?

[DooMer_MP3]

The more and more I read about the MPI tuner, and the people who use them, people who I've met, and have complete respect for with their knowledge, the more I like it. I gave MPNick a hard time at first, because I wasn't satisfied with the lack of info he'd give on the workings of the product. He has changed that for the past several months, and he has an actual product *available* that people are using, using well, upgrading them when he finds better solutions, and has been extremely helpful to the people here.

So I'm sorry for giving you such a hard time in the past. The MPI tuner is definitely something I'll be considering when I'm turbo. God, I keep saying "when I turbo". SOON! SOON! Saving... Saving...

Chris

 

[PaulMP3]

We have launch control for drag strip runs. I do not claim to have traction control. Real traction control would take four wheel sensors, one at each wheel. I know that there has been some talk about traction control on this forum. So I want to make sure that we are all clear on what it is and how it works.

The launch control is part of the MPI Tuner and Turbo module. It does not matter if you have the stock MAF or our larger one.


Thanks again


Later......Nick

If i wanted to add this feature to my MPI tuner could you just email me the file, or would I have to come to your shop to have you update mine. Im also interested in changing the way my mpi tuner controls timing. I believe mine is hooked to the crank sensor (i can only retard) and now i read that you control the coils.

 

[Little Beavis]

This is a hardware upgrade (little black box). I don't think you'll have to go in for the upgrade, you should be able to wire it up yourself. I have not gotten mine yet. . .MPNick. . .hint, hint! I can let you know how it works, but it is just waiting for duplicates to be made for us to enjoy.

Paul, as far as the timing, I can help you with that if you like, but it would be best to wait until the little black box is available, because you're going to have to mess with all the wiring at that time and there might be some other "upgrades" at that time.

And to Chris's point, yes, MPNick is a good guy to have on your side.

 

[PaulMP3]

This is a hardware upgrade (little black box). I don't think you'll have to go in for the upgrade, you should be able to wire it up yourself. I have not gotten mine yet. . .MPNick. . .hint, hint! I can let you know how it works, but it is just waiting for duplicates to be made for us to enjoy.

Paul, as far as the timing, I can help you with that if you like, but it would be best to wait until the little black box is available, because you're going to have to mess with all the wiring at that time and there might be some other "upgrades" at that time.

And to Chris's point, yes, MPNick is a good guy to have on your side.

Thanks, i guess i will wait to you get it then. Im also gonna be getting a J&S soon, i might need some help wiring that in as well.

 

[Bigg Tim]

Look at the two little "silver" pieces above the MP3 engine cover on my avatar. Also note the thing just to the right of the engine cover.

How about a bigger pic???????? Let's check that puppy out!!!

 

[Little Beavis]

Thanks, i guess i will wait to you get it then. Im also gonna be getting a J&S soon, i might need some help wiring that in as well.

I can hook you up with the J&S wiring "schematic" very easily. Let me know when you get it and I'll help in any way I can.

How about a bigger pic???????? Let's check that puppy out!!!

Not much to see. . .four injectors. . .in the intake manifold.
I'm sick of flaming and crap from some members on this forum, so I don't care to post more pics. Yes, my panties are in a bunch!

 

[akhilleus]

U know... i used to be a big proponent of the MPI tuner. Good price.. it had critical options... but the more i found out the less "ideal" it seemed. I really believe that this unit isnt as accurate or reliable as it seems. If one is to invest the money in proper ems than they should save for perfworks ems. I have seen the mpi on pauls car and perfworks ems on the evo 8 and there is no comparison. Want traction control u got it. want to control any aspect of the vehicle.. no problem... dyno.. yes.. move it from your p5 to your next car.yes..can the mpi do that.. no. And the mpi can only control fuel w/ extra injectors. It doesnt accurately deal with the open loop closed loop... Is it affordable...yes.. but thats about the only advantage i see in this... and the timing... he had to run it off the coils cause the crank wouldnt work. perfwork's ems works seemlessly w/ the p5's ecu.. enough said

 

[acidbug]

U know... i used to be a big proponent of the MPI tuner. Good price.. it had critical options... but the more i found out the less "ideal" it seemed. I really believe that this unit isnt as accurate or reliable as it seems. If one is to invest the money in proper ems than they should save for perfworks ems. I have seen the mpi on pauls car and perfworks ems on the evo 8 and there is no comparison. Want traction control u got it. want to control any aspect of the vehicle.. no problem... dyno.. yes.. move it from your p5 to your next car.yes..can the mpi do that.. no. And the mpi can only control fuel w/ extra injectors. It doesnt accurately deal with the open loop closed loop... Is it affordable...yes.. but thats about the only advantage i see in this... and the timing... he had to run it off the coils cause the crank wouldnt work. perfwork's ems works seemlessly w/ the p5's ecu.. enough said

wow strong words!

Firstly traction..control..that's funny....b/c all of the mustang guys..take that off at the track..b/c it makes the car bog down off the line!

2ndly paul had the mpi unit installed and tuned by Andy Wagner! Not mpiNick! I beielve paul was having problems w/ cold start (maybe it was kooldino?)..I haven't had any cold start issues..she starts right up no problem!

I will have my intercooler installed by this weekend!(birthday)

AFter that it's dyno time!

I have used my stock injectors with my setup! And have had no problems at 6psi! Oil change every 3k w/ full sythetic! And 93 Octane every fill!

Lastly, mpiNick has this unit on more cars than just the protege..he has it on the mazda speed...also subaru wrx w/ nitrous...and a dodge neon!

Chas

 

[MPNick]

U know... i used to be a big proponent of the MPI tuner. Good price.. it had critical options... but the more i found out the less "ideal" it seemed. I really believe that this unit isnt as accurate or reliable as it seems. If one is to invest the money in proper ems than they should save for perfworks ems. I have seen the mpi on pauls car and perfworks ems on the evo 8 and there is no comparison. Want traction control u got it. want to control any aspect of the vehicle.. no problem... dyno.. yes.. move it from your p5 to your next car.yes..can the mpi do that.. no. And the mpi can only control fuel w/ extra injectors. It doesnt accurately deal with the open loop closed loop... Is it affordable...yes.. but thats about the only advantage i see in this... and the timing... he had to run it off the coils cause the crank wouldnt work. perfwork's ems works seemlessly w/ the p5's ecu.. enough said

I think you have your facts screwed up or you have been told BS from the dark side. The MPI Tuner has been installed on more types of cars then the whole AEM EMS product line. You are wrong on this one. You name the car line and I can show you how to install it on that car. You are wrong on this one. If the unit is a PnP unit how can you move it from car to car? Why does AEM sell over 10 AEM system if one will fit all? We control both the stock injectors and extra injectors. You are wrong again here. It runs off of the coils because it is a better way to go. Wrong again. Did you do any testing at all on the MPI Tuner? How can you post this bs? Yes my system is about 50% the cost of the AEM. If you need to spend two times the price to get the same AFR go for it. As far as how well the AEM runs on the Protege, keep the bull sh-t on the other thread where it belongs. This thread is about the MPI Tuner and the people who have it on their cars and are tuning great with it. If you need to BS and kiss ass you can go to the other thread. You will find all of the BS you what over there. Until I see a Protege running the AEM as a PnP setup it is still a pipe dream.

Thanks again


Later............Nick

EVO8, where are the dyno sheets or the time slips? Only four months waiting on that one.

 

[akhilleus]

u are grossly misinformed if u are championing this item. I am saying that one could choose to have traction control or not with perfworks ecu... in a flash of a mouse click. U could control every aspect of your vehicle... total control... the mpi tuner is bare bones.. and considering its development history...i am wary to trust it. Trust me when perfworks demonstrates his ems ... you will wish u had gotten it instead. and paul's car is an example of having to use a seperate injector... mpnick obviously workd this out on your version... and u are only at 6psi... paul is much higher than that. He even has issues with properly tunign his AF... which perfworks ems could totally blow away in terms of adjustability, I am sorry to be so critical but after some personal experience with perf's unit and its potential and also of the histroy of the mpi unit i would recommend otherwise. of course u have one so i respect your choice.. i wanted one too.. but now i wouldnt get anything less than perf's creation... and i feel that perfworks is much deserving of our support.

 

[LinuxRacr]

Have you seen it on a Protege yet? That's all fine and good that its on his EVO, but it was designed to work with the EVO. Are you speaking from experience with a Protege, or just seeing it on the Evo?

 

[acidbug]

u are grossly misinformed if u are championing this item. I am saying that one could choose to have traction control or not with perfworks ecu... in a flash of a mouse click. U could control every aspect of your vehicle... total control... the mpi tuner is bare bones.. and considering its development history...i am wary to trust it. Trust me when perfworks demonstrates his ems ... you will wish u had gotten it instead. and paul's car is an example of having to use a seperate injector... mpnick obviously workd this out on your version... and u are only at 6psi... paul is much higher than that. He even has issues with properly tunign his AF... which perfworks ems could totally blow away in terms of adjustability, I am sorry to be so critical but after some personal experience with perf's unit and its potential and also of the histroy of the mpi unit i would recommend otherwise. of course u have one so i respect your choice.. i wanted one too.. but now i wouldnt get anything less than perf's creation... and i feel that perfworks is much deserving of our support.

Once again dude..pual's unit was tuned by Andy Wanger...not mpinick..

I am running 6psi NON INTERCOOLED! I will be doing a dyno run at 8psi w/ an intercooler and maybe one at 12psi w/ race fuel! I woudln't suggest anyone w/ a t3 or bigger to run over 8psi daily w/ out forged internals or race gas!

Chas

If perf gets his unit up..great..but there is no need to bash mpinick's unit!

 

[MPNick]

u are grossly misinformed if u are championing this item. I am saying that one could choose to have traction control or not with perfworks ecu... in a flash of a mouse click. U could control every aspect of your vehicle... total control... the mpi tuner is bare bones.. and considering its development history...i am wary to trust it. Trust me when perfworks demonstrates his ems ... you will wish u had gotten it instead. and paul's car is an example of having to use a seperate injector... mpnick obviously workd this out on your version... and u are only at 6psi... paul is much higher than that. He even has issues with properly tunign his AF... which perfworks ems could totally blow away in terms of adjustability, I am sorry to be so critical but after some personal experience with perf's unit and its potential and also of the histroy of the mpi unit i would recommend otherwise. of course u have one so i respect your choice.. i wanted one too.. but now i wouldnt get anything less than perf's creation... and i feel that perfworks is much deserving of our support.

Pual has been running 12psi for months with the MPI Tuner. He is only adding fuel with the extra injectors for now. If the system did not work well he would have lost his engine a long time ago. Do not post what the AEM has done on other cars on this thread. Go and post on the other thread what the AEM is doing as a PnP on a Protege. Is this sinking into your head yet? Lets see a PnP on the Protege work before you run your mouth off anymore on this thread. For now it is a pipe dream only, for you it sounds more like a wet dream.


Thanks again

Later..............Nick

 

[MPNick]

Have you seen it on a Protege yet? That's all fine and good that its on his EVO, but it was designed to work with the EVO. Are you speaking from experience with a Protege, or just seeing it on the Evo?

Hello Patrick, I got the PRS8 running on the WRX today. The stock coils worked fine. Let me know when you get back the unit for PP. I cannot wait to get the system running in your car. It will be nice to have a real standalone running on a Protege.

Thanks again


Later.............Nick

 

[mp5jeff]

akhilleus, take your head out of that guys ass for a minute, jesus ive never seen such an ass kisser before. You keep talking about the traction control of it that probably no one would use anyhow. Also if there's no proof of it on a PROTEGE not a damn EVO, we don't care, do we drive evo's? no...entering someone else's thread about their ecu and saying it sucks and you should all buy this other guy's ecu is rediculous...

 

[LinuxRacr]

Hello Patrick, I got the PRS8 running on the WRX today. The stock coils worked fine. Let me know when you get back the unit for PP. I cannot wait to get the system running in your car. It will be nice to have a real standalone running on a Protege.

Thanks again


Later.............Nick

(werd)

 

[LinuxRacr]

akhilleus, take your head out of that guys ass for a minute, jesus ive never seen such an ass kisser before. You keep talking about the traction control of it that probably no one would use anyhow. Also if there's no proof of it on a PROTEGE not a damn EVO, we don't care, do we drive evo's? no...entering someone else's thread about their ecu and saying it sucks and you should all buy this other guy's ecu is rediculous...

I agree. Stop the jacking...in all threads, not just this one. This goes for EVERYONE!

 

[DooMer_MP3]

u are grossly misinformed if u are championing this item. I am saying that one could choose to have traction control or not with perfworks ecu... in a flash of a mouse click. U could control every aspect of your vehicle... total control... the mpi tuner is bare bones.. and considering its development history...i am wary to trust it. Trust me when perfworks demonstrates his ems ... you will wish u had gotten it instead. and paul's car is an example of having to use a seperate injector... mpnick obviously workd this out on your version... and u are only at 6psi... paul is much higher than that. He even has issues with properly tunign his AF... which perfworks ems could totally blow away in terms of adjustability, I am sorry to be so critical but after some personal experience with perf's unit and its potential and also of the histroy of the mpi unit i would recommend otherwise. of course u have one so i respect your choice.. i wanted one too.. but now i wouldnt get anything less than perf's creation... and i feel that perfworks is much deserving of our support.

Its nice of you to come in here and bash a product that is ACTUALLY AVAILABLE, and compare it to something that isn't even available yet. Great for your credibility . To be honest, I can MAYBE see where the AEM that perfworks is working on would be useful for *high boost* applications. But you know what? Maybe 5% of boosted Proteges will ever need the power of that AEM to run properly. If you're planning on running that thing, you're probably already spending the 1.5gs on forged internals, 1+g on axles, and tranny... because, lets face it, the engine/drivetrain isn't that strong. I think the MPI tuner looks like a fantastic option for mild-moderate boost applications. The Protege is what it is - an enconbox. If you want 15lbs of boost reliably, then sure, buy your forged internals, axles, and tranny, and a $1.8k EMS, but to be honest, its just a Protege, and its time to look at something else. All I want, and it seems most people want, is a Protege that is much more peppy, and fun to drive reliably. The MPI tuner *obviously* does that at a fraction of the cost.

As for the AEM, I'm sorry, but I've been holding my breath. But whatever. I didn't want to say much more, but goddamn, how many times can perfworks say 1-2 more weeks or "At the beginning of next week we'll have...." and not have anything to show for it? If I were him, I'd not mention a damn thing, and bust out a post about the unit when its actually finished and has user proven reviews. Its been nearly 2 months since he said the blind would suddenly become enlightened, and that the market would finally get what it deserved. Well, jee, I haven't seen a thing but a picture of the Phantom AEM with a 12 pack of beer surrounding it.

Chris

 

[MPNick]

If you want 15lbs of boost reliably, then sure, buy your forged internals, axles, and tranny, and a $1.8k EMS, but to be honest, its just a Protege, and its time to look at something else.

The MPI tuner *obviously* does that at a fraction of the cost.

I haven't seen a thing but a picture of the Phantom AEM with a 12 pack of beer surrounding it.

Chris

Hello Chris, I agree with most of your post. Did you know the MSP we are building will be running well over 18psi this year. Last year it ran as high as 16psi with the MPI Tuner. On its 13.7 run it only had 13psi. It will still have our MPI Tuner and the extra injectors in the throttle body.

AFR is AFR. MPI Tuner will get you the 12.0 or what every AFR you want for about half the price.


Thanks again

Later..........Nick

 

[MPNick]

u are grossly misinformed if u are championing this item. I am saying that one could choose to have traction control

Real traction control has one sensor at each wheel. The system would then read each wheel and see if the speeds are the same. The system may then apply brakes to one or more wheels along with killing one or more cylinders. The AEM does not do this. It is a very crude form of traction control at best. I wish people would stop posting wrong info about a so called product that you cannot even get for the Protege.

If you must post about products that you cannot get then there is a thread for you to use. Go find the thread and stay off of this one unless you have a question about the MPI Tuner and all of its happy users. This thread is about a great working product only. It is not about a product that no one has. The MPI Tuner is the real deal.


Thanks again


Later..........Nick