tritonheat1
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Here you go i think this might answer all your ???? http:www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/roadtest/44156/article/html http:www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtest/roadtest/44157/article/html
MP3 vs ES.20
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tritonheat1
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Originally posted by APEXistud:
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Wow, I can't believe you're actually using a G-TECH Pro in this debate. Those are not accurate measuring tools. Now the APEXi RSM-GP is a better measuring tool. But whatever the case the MP3 is rated as being faster by just about every car review I can think of. After reading this entire post, it's starting to become a little silly. Reminds me of some of the Subaru 2.5RS owners saying that they are faster than the WRX because they are 350 lbs lighter.
Let's face it guys, the ES is a great car but..........the MP3 is better, hands down.</STRONG>
I agree that the G-Tech isn't the most accurate measuring stick, but it is highly repeatable. It's a good measuring stick for faster/slower, but not in absolute terms.
Anyways, all I was trying to get at was that the MP3 is no faster than the P5 or ES, in my experiences. Your personal mileage may vary.
A very important fact that I think a couple of people may have missed is that azzkikr said it was the same road, same driver, same day...I assume same weather conditions. The G-Tech may not be accurate as other testers but the test was conducted using consistant factors with the same test equipment. An APEXi may give more accurate times with regard to actual 1/4 mile times at the strip but apples to apples seem to have been compared here.
I didn't miss that he pointed out same road, same day, same driver. I just failed to address that part of his post. G-Tech does have a new model out and it is supposed to perform a little better than the last one, but it still doesn't look as cool as the APEXi unit. My friend SubyWan has the RSM-GP on his WRX and it's a pretty cool toy. Sorry if I said anything bad about the G-Tech unit, but I am kinda of partial to APEXi.....hehehe
But yes, they both surve they're purpose. The APEXi unit still looks better 
heheDo you think I'm new to this board? I know that you have the FS-ZE. Did it take you long to figure out that the same car with 170hp would beat the same car with 140hp? I would hope you could beat an MP3. It would be a huge waste of money if you didn't. If it wasn't completely obvious the first time that I stated that I'd hand his ass to him(in a Pro ES or a Pro5), I'll state it again. Come on, don't be stupid. The Pro5 is obviously heavier, no contest. As a matter of fact, I wouldnt' waste my time on one. As for the Pro ES, You are wrong again, 40hp does more than make up for th 100 lb difference. If that wasn't completely clear that I wasn't talking about a BMW M3, or a Pro ES with a FS-ZE engine, I don't know how else to break it down for you.
Come on now, the weight difference between a P5 and an MP3? That can be made up for by dieting the driver...
Seriously, do you really believe that a P5 could not keep up with your much ballyhooed MP3? By the way, 10hp at the crank = approx. 8hp at the wheels, that number is less than significant and a strong P5 motor could probably put out more power than an average MP3 motor.
Bottom line: In a straight line, my friends' P5 and ProES were both quicker to 60mph and through the 1/4 mile than my other friend's MP3.
When outfitted with Z-rated rubber, my friend's P5 gripped just as hard as my friend's MP3.
For cryin' out loud, can't you just understand that your car isn't so far removed from it's roots as you think? If you don't like the idea of driving a Protege, why the heck did you buy one?
M
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Sorry dude, I've got a P5, and my buddy has an mp3, and can't catch him on any given day. It's not that much of a difference, but he does pull away from me easily. Even if we switch cars....same results. our cars are stock. I read somewhere that the p5 is upwards of the low 10's for the 0-60, es is high nines, and mp3 is mid 8's. In practice there's not a lot of difference, all it takes is one good driver, and one bad. But the p5 catch an mp3...nope.
M
<mp3man @ work>
sorry dude, you gonna need even better shocks, and sway bars then what's on the mp3 to achieve something close to it's handling. Look at you car. Just look at it. You have a higher center of gravity, and it weighs more. I'm not saying it's impossible, far from it, but you need to get BETTER then mp3 stuff to achieve the same thing.
I believe you. That is, I believe that your P5 gets pulled on by your friend's MP3.
As far as the P5 being nearly 2 seconds (!) slower than an MP3 0-60, that is ridiculous unless the P5 is a slushbox.
As far as I'm concerned, P5, ProES and MP3 are all within spitting distance of each other in terms of acceleration. In my tests, MP3 was the slowest, while the ProES was the fastest. I think I've said it before, but your own personal mileage may vary.
Oh my gawd! Are you all brainwashed ricers?
Do you realize that the MP3 and the P5 share the exact same chassis?!?! Do you also realize that swaybars add more to the way a car feels, more than outright performance gains? Look, put some Z-rated rubber on your P5 and go chase your buddy's MP3. If you can't keep up with him, it's your driving skill, not the car.
My P5 will pull on an MP3 w/intake+exhaust any day of the week ...even without the n2o 
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I definetly agree that the MP3 is a better handling car right out of the box...but as for acceleration, the three Proteges are damn close to each other IMHO and experience.
...even without the n2o .I definetly agree that the MP3 is a better handling car right out of the box...but as for acceleration, the three Proteges are damn close to each other IMHO and experience.
Damn azkisser, you are just completely stupid and brain dead. If you that we are all brainwashed ricers, you are more than welcome to not visit this site anymore. Until then,...SHUT THE **** UP! No one here ever said that the P5 wasn't a very good looking car, I think it looks awesome. I think my MP3 looks better though. I'd expect any P5 owner to say their P5 looks better than the MP3. Because thats what they have and they are attached to it. But the STOCK P5 will NEVER be faster than the STOCK MP3. End of discussion!
I agree with azzkikr in that the P5 can give an MP3 a run for its money off the line or during stop light racing, but put the both cars on an autocrossing course, real race track, or any place that there is hard cornering, side-to-side weight distribution and I'm sure you will see the MP3 begin to pull away. Since the MP3 has better balance through the corners/twisties it will be able to maintain higher speed through corners. Though the 2 share the same chassis, the fact that the MP3 has the sway bars should make it clear that it will out handle either the ES or P5. This is a good debate, but the MP3 is the better handling, slightly quicker car.
What I'd really like to see is a Sentra SE-R vs a Sentra SE-R Spec V. Both cars are closer in power than the ES, P5 and MP3 are. The SE-R "is rated at" 165hp and 175lb ft of torque, while the Spec V "is rated at 175hp and 180lb ft of torque. Both have Variable Intake Cam Timing. So I'm pretty sure that the Sentra Message Boards are experiencing the same things as we are. This is a damn good post though.
What I'd really like to see is a Sentra SE-R vs a Sentra SE-R Spec V. Both cars are closer in power than the ES, P5 and MP3 are. The SE-R "is rated at" 165hp and 175lb ft of torque, while the Spec V "is rated at 175hp and 180lb ft of torque. Both have Variable Intake Cam Timing. So I'm pretty sure that the Sentra Message Boards are experiencing the same things as we are. This is a damn good post though.
