Hey mpnick maybe u should follow your own advice and bounce from this thread which is trying to create a "real" engine management solution and not a high school science project. If u promise to never criticize perf again... since he is vastly more knowledgeable than u and will always make u look bad then u will avoid further humiliation... at least until the AEM is demonstrated publicly.
MP3, MSP and P5 Engine Management solution
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I was thinking of organizing something like that actualy.Bigg Tim said:
I think it would be awsome to have a protege EM shootout in august or july. Bascily put the MPI, Perfs creations, Hiboost system, any Microtech, any haltech, and hopefully the flyin protege Links.
I think it would kick ass to see these cars battle it out. I think with something that biog we could get several magazines involved and perhaps get a track for the day.
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Wow, I can't believe how fast this thread went downhill.....let's trace it back to where it started to suck...huh, MPNick had to open his mouth.
If MPNick is such a mature responsible person why can't he drop it and move on? Ever hear of "turn the other cheek"? I would put good money that says if MPNick stops bashing/crapping on Perfworks threads Perfworks will do the same. It seems to me just by the posts in this thread that Perfworks has other stuff to do than sit on here and retalliate.
just fyi akhillius, Perfworks started working on the MPI and saw that it wasn't going to do what he wanted it do so he abandoned the project. MPNick, continued with it and has basically gone "the other way" that perfworks wanted to go with it. Just be sure to keep perfs name off of the MPI. He doesn't want to be branded the "candy man".
p.s. Just because a unit is cheaper doesn't mean it's better. You get what you pay for.
If MPNick is such a mature responsible person why can't he drop it and move on? Ever hear of "turn the other cheek"? I would put good money that says if MPNick stops bashing/crapping on Perfworks threads Perfworks will do the same. It seems to me just by the posts in this thread that Perfworks has other stuff to do than sit on here and retalliate.
just fyi akhillius, Perfworks started working on the MPI and saw that it wasn't going to do what he wanted it do so he abandoned the project. MPNick, continued with it and has basically gone "the other way" that perfworks wanted to go with it. Just be sure to keep perfs name off of the MPI. He doesn't want to be branded the "candy man".
p.s. Just because a unit is cheaper doesn't mean it's better. You get what you pay for.
I agree 100%,this is the best post I have seen on this thread yet. The name of the game is tuning your spark and air fuel. I have a tool that allows you to tune your spark and fuel and then you have the AEM. If and when it does become a true PnP system for the Protege we will see if spending almost twice the price will get you anymore or any better power or even better everyday driving. Until then how can you compare something that you cannot buy to something that is being used everyday with great results. Lets see if the system ever comes out, then we can do a dyno test day and see if it is better to spend all the extra money for it. Why keep bashing each other when no one has any proof at all to back up any of the claims on how great the AEM is on the Protege. I do not think people are asking to much for the bashing to stop until we have a real wroking PnP AEM system to compare it to the MPI Tuner that is used everyday. Can we please just stop all of this BS and wait and see if it ever comes true?1st MP3 in NH said:
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when is the AEm supposed to come out anyways?
Thats part of the needs. The MPI may be able do do everything some people are looking for, others will find value in the AEMs extended abilities. I will not pretned I know what either unit can accomplish as I don't know. However I do know that no one would be using AEMs on other applications if they did not have there advantages over less expensive piggy backs like the MPI.MPNick said:
As far as one product being inherintly superior to the other. I find that impossible. It all comes down to the customers needs and which one fits the application.
I think a shootout in the future between systems will be great to get the vendors that have tuned these systems some much deserved press and to get people exited about the protege again.
I would also hope that we can all leave the bickering behind us and approach things from here on out in a professional manner.
Considering the magnitude of what perf is trying to bring to market, I would not expect anything in the immedate future but perhaps a few months. I don't really know though. I do have a unique insite into the project and from that I can understand exactly why things are taking as long as they are. Engine management is not something simple to pioneer. They are adapting a new product to a new application and to do it properly takes time.aftershock63 said:
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This is the best statement I have heard, and is exactly my point form the get go of this stuff.1st MP3 in NH said:
People will buy what they feel will meet their needs the best.
I remember when SCC mag (I know) had their project 2.5 RS that they turbo'd. They had all kinds of crazy arse piggy backs and all kinds of insane wires running damn near everywhere to do everything they wanted.
Then they switched to the TEC II. Just about every wire was taken off because they could get the TEC II to do what they wanted, in parallel. So, running a ton of things piggy back wise can work just fine, but sometimes ease of use and lack of having five different units to achieve the five different things can be better.
Time will tell on all of this. The MPI Tuner meets a need. The AEM will meet a different need. Just like the PRS8 meets yet another need.
As for all the arguing back and forth, I'm seriously thinking of just getting something neither MPNick, nor perf sell because I'm tired of it. Perf as stopped (as far as I can tell), so why can't MPNick.
And the people starting flames on either's behalf needs to stop too. Damn, I'm not even a mod and I'm saying this stuff...(no)
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Man this thread is soooo fun to read. Sifting through the last 3 or 4 pages of arguments just to find out the product has not been dynoed is great. If one thing wasn't frustrating, the other sure is. I'm probably just too excited for the NA application. So, as not to cause myself further frustation, I will avoid this thread like a hooker with the clap. I'll check in a couple weeks, see if it's been tested...repeat...etc. (blarf)
Actually from what i understand the AEM should be ready to debut within less than a month on the protege... And yes although the MPI does serve certain functions.. the AEM more than compensates for its extra cost both in the areas of timing and fuel as well as the literally hundreds of other areas it can tune. And i chose NA over FI cause i dont have $4k to throw around on toys... some people arent as blessed financially as u r KZA. But i will refrain from saying anything more until this item is public. I apologize for the critical statements but in my opinion i think they were warranted.
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Sounds good why dont you start by not saying anything else til it comes out, that should take care of a lot less BS starting
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