Mount bolt replaced and cool EVO story.
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whitey4311
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LOL, I tried to tell him that but his argument is that if he rids it in 3 years he will be ok and only have to come up with a few grand or so.
There is talk on the Evo fourms of it holding its price like a Supra and according to KBB the POS is still worth like 17k at 100k miles.
Please tell me what to say to him because now its making a bit more sense the way he is telling me all these numbers. I just dont see him being able to trade it or sell it for squat with that many miles on it. He already put 10k miles on his MS3 in just under 3 months so this car wont be any different.
As far as speed am I really ****** in the head to say that they are slow because I tried to get it to go fast and just couldnt and it wasnt the car cause I drove 2 different ones at the dealer and they are all slow. The only way to get it to go fast was to do a launch really high on the RPM's but at cruise speed it wont pull like my MS3 does.
There is talk on the Evo fourms of it holding its price like a Supra and according to KBB the POS is still worth like 17k at 100k miles.
Please tell me what to say to him because now its making a bit more sense the way he is telling me all these numbers. I just dont see him being able to trade it or sell it for squat with that many miles on it. He already put 10k miles on his MS3 in just under 3 months so this car wont be any different.
As far as speed am I really ****** in the head to say that they are slow because I tried to get it to go fast and just couldnt and it wasnt the car cause I drove 2 different ones at the dealer and they are all slow. The only way to get it to go fast was to do a launch really high on the RPM's but at cruise speed it wont pull like my MS3 does.
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Haltech said:Maybe on an aircraft they do, but on an EVO? cmon, thats rice gear. I dont see them on STI's, GTI's or MS3's, let alone, anything else out there
New STi's have them but I dont see how they work that well on a car, lol.
whitey4311 said:
just tell him to do the TBE intake and a reflash, for like 2000 grand he will be in the low 12s my friend did it to his thats why the EVOS are so famous! also tell him to forget about buying a new car in 84 months, tath 17 grand KBB its not trade in value its retail. for him to sell it retail he has to owe nothing to the bank!
Yeah from what I've seen, dealers always low-ball on the trade in value. And I seriously doubt at 100k he's getting anything close to 17k even private party. No matter how he slices it, he'll lose. Also in 3 years, there'll be a lot more competition in the auto market, so the value will more than likely take a hit. I hope he's happy with it, if he truly is, all is not lost.
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Yeah I have read that the Evo owners now are worried what will come of the new Evo X since it will cause the older ones to drop in value.
All I can figure is that if I have my math right about $200 of his $627 is going to interest every month making it so that in 3yrs there is some where about 21k+ that he will still owe on the car. At that time he will have about 130k miles on the car based on the avg he did in 3 months with his MS3. Now because I am using KBB right now I cant predict what in 3 more years the time will do to the car. As of now an 05 with 130k miles is supposed to be 14k but if you change the year to an 03 which I think was their first year out the value is about 12k trade in value.
So with the dealer bending him over on a trade in an offer of 10k seems about right if hes lucky and he will still owe about 21k on it. If he private sells it he can save a few grand more but I dont see anyone buying a used racer car with 130k miles for that much money.
PS While at my dealer when I told them the story they were along wiht you guys but also said that the speed3 has the highest resale value out of all their cars right now. You cant KBB it yet but they said its resale is at the top based on their numbers.
All I can figure is that if I have my math right about $200 of his $627 is going to interest every month making it so that in 3yrs there is some where about 21k+ that he will still owe on the car. At that time he will have about 130k miles on the car based on the avg he did in 3 months with his MS3. Now because I am using KBB right now I cant predict what in 3 more years the time will do to the car. As of now an 05 with 130k miles is supposed to be 14k but if you change the year to an 03 which I think was their first year out the value is about 12k trade in value.
So with the dealer bending him over on a trade in an offer of 10k seems about right if hes lucky and he will still owe about 21k on it. If he private sells it he can save a few grand more but I dont see anyone buying a used racer car with 130k miles for that much money.
PS While at my dealer when I told them the story they were along wiht you guys but also said that the speed3 has the highest resale value out of all their cars right now. You cant KBB it yet but they said its resale is at the top based on their numbers.
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are you trying to make up for something Mike...??? (hump)
Haltech said:Maybe on an aircraft they do, but on an EVO? cmon, thats rice gear. I dont see them on STI's, GTI's or MS3's, let alone, anything else out there
I said they serve a purpose strictly in a technical stand point of view. I never said they work really well on that car. "Rice" is something that looks ridiculous while not giving any performance benefits - often the complete opposite. Since the vortex generators really do work, albeit not to the extent of the ones on aircrafts due to the slower nature of the cars, I don't see how you can call it "rice gear".
Hikaru9 said:
If it worked, everyone would be using it. EVO is pure rice, right from the showroom floor. Its gaudy.. Its like the 1996 LS1 Camaro VS WS6 Firebird.. The firebird was pure rice gaudy body clading everywhere.The Camaro was a cleaner looking car.
Do you have Vortex Generators on your mazda? If not, why?
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actually i do. My shark fin acts like one....it increased my hp and downforce thank you very much...
I was a wrx/sti guy for 6 years, and was dead set on a 2008 sti unless the 2008 evo could suprise me and pull me away. Sport Compact Car got me in a Mazda dealer and driving the speed 3. Just then I thought for 10,000 less this is amazing. The Mazda is not on a level playing field with them and it still impresses me everyday (with the ac off atleast). SO back to the main point has anyone gotten a recall letter yet?
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Haltech said:
You're keep missing my point, and I see that there is no way to get it across to you simply based on all of the conversations you've had with the forum members including myself.
I couldn't care less if the Evo looked gaudy or how "rice" (as you call it) it is. All I said was that vortex generators do play a role when it comes to aero dynamics. You're entitled to your opinions, but to deny proven science facts without having an understanding of aero/fluid dynamics just because you feel that it looks retarded on certain vehicle is absurd. Like I said, I don't care for the Evo, but please try to separate subjective matters with objective matters if you wish to have a meaningful conversation.
Here is the official research data from Mitsubishi.
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/about_us/technology/review/e/pdf/2004/16E_03.pdf
Airplanes have been using them for a long time, and race cars have recently adopted the technology. If I'm not mistaken, Mitsubishi is probably the first manufacturer to apply it to their production vehicle. Other auto makers probably don't use it mainly due to consumers as yourself who think it looks "gaudy/ rice" without having a clue about the benefits. *^_^*
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Dude it is rice and looks kinda lame. The function may prove to be there but for its application I doubt it does much on a car so that would make it rice. Just like those who put huge wings on cars, they work but there is a point at which it looks stuipd.
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Back to topic:
Well now my friend sends me you tube video of Evos and links to people saying that the MS3 is entry level and not a good car at all comapred to the Evo. He seems to think that he has the best car out there now and got a good deal and that I am simply jelous of it, lol.
Well now my friend sends me you tube video of Evos and links to people saying that the MS3 is entry level and not a good car at all comapred to the Evo. He seems to think that he has the best car out there now and got a good deal and that I am simply jelous of it, lol.
Let em believe what he wants. It's his finances, his mess. Brake jobs on those things are gonna make him cry when he sees the bill though. There's only so much you can try to help a person before you realize it's A. None of your business, even if they ask for your opinion/help, and B. pointless because they're going to do what they want come hell or high water anyway. That said, I very rarely help people any more. Not worth the time, effort or irritation.
so much misinformation, so little time. the basics are:
- the 03s have the most common drivetrain problems but even they are not common. since then there is the rare failure without abuse but other than that all drivetrain related issues are caused by the driver. the clutch is designed to be the weak point in the drivetrain so when people who think it's fun to do a 6k clutch drop try it out their clutch wears out which is much cheaper to replace than a transfer case or other drivetrain part
- the vortex generator only comes on the MR. i think it's stupid but it was designed in a wind tunnel unlike other aftermarket aerodynamics stuff so it probably does have some function
- stock evos can feel choked when you try to accelerate. when you free up the exhaust that changes significantly. from a roll racing, for whatever that's worth, a stock evo should lose to an MS3.
- there are no dodge parts anywhere near the car. don't even know where that came from. the interior is basic
- brakes are super easy to change, easier than a protege. costs about the same too as long as you don't do OEM garbage
i think the MS3 is a great value for the money, like the SRT4 before it. is it perfect? no. i think the same of the evo. great value for the money overall (though if drag or street racing is what you're into might want to look elsewhere). it's not perfect either though
and fwiw i pay $540/month for 60 months with basically nothing down. bought new w/ SSL package
- the 03s have the most common drivetrain problems but even they are not common. since then there is the rare failure without abuse but other than that all drivetrain related issues are caused by the driver. the clutch is designed to be the weak point in the drivetrain so when people who think it's fun to do a 6k clutch drop try it out their clutch wears out which is much cheaper to replace than a transfer case or other drivetrain part
- the vortex generator only comes on the MR. i think it's stupid but it was designed in a wind tunnel unlike other aftermarket aerodynamics stuff so it probably does have some function
- stock evos can feel choked when you try to accelerate. when you free up the exhaust that changes significantly. from a roll racing, for whatever that's worth, a stock evo should lose to an MS3.
- there are no dodge parts anywhere near the car. don't even know where that came from. the interior is basic
- brakes are super easy to change, easier than a protege. costs about the same too as long as you don't do OEM garbage
i think the MS3 is a great value for the money, like the SRT4 before it. is it perfect? no. i think the same of the evo. great value for the money overall (though if drag or street racing is what you're into might want to look elsewhere). it's not perfect either though
and fwiw i pay $540/month for 60 months with basically nothing down. bought new w/ SSL package
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