Mental Addiction Motorsports 3rd Gen Protege Turbo kit

[protegeV]

k, here's a question for ya...

is it not a good idea to run the 4-1 header with a smaller turbo? I saw the pics of it, and it just looks a MILLION times better than the log manifold.
First off, would it be worth it to use a turbo like the 2871 under under 12lbs of boost...
If not, would it make sense to run the 4-1 header with the 28rs?

 

[BlueWolfCry]

this kit looks very impressive...well let me tell you Beau, you've won me over hi boost. Just to make sure, the $4395 is the Thumper Kit and the $3400 is the Sleeper correct? Thanks

 

[protegeV]

nah, the full sleeper kit is the $4395, and the $3400 is for a stripped down verion with no MPI, no HKS BOV, and a few other things...He posted it all a few posts back.

 

[protegeV]

i believe he said the thumper kit was going to be around $4300 without engine managment...That means you could be looking at $5000 with an MPI or Haltech or up to $6K if you go AEM (shocked) it will be one helluva system though...

 

[BlueWolfCry]

ohhh so this is just the sleeper kit he is working on? the thumper kit is not existent?

 

[Mental Addiction]

this kit looks very impressive...well let me tell you Beau, you've won me over hi boost. Just to make sure, the $4395 is the Thumper Kit and the $3400 is the Sleeper correct? Thanks

The complete Sleeper kit is $4395.The Thumper kit price has yet to be determined.

 

[Killer 8]

if we already bought a clutch could we opt for the removal of the spec clutch from the kit? and how much will it cut off of it, other wise i will be selling a act or spec clutch depending on which oine can hold the most. how much can the spec hold?

 

[Mental Addiction]

ohhh so this is just the sleeper kit he is working on? the thumper kit is not existent?

This thread is for the 3rd Gen Sleeper kit.There's another thread for the thumper kit.
The Thumper is in its final stages of development and will not be on the market until testing is finished.

 

[RyanJayG]

sorry the chart is cut'n pasted, but the stage one reads 260 lb-ft


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[Killer 8]

(hahaspit) I guess the spec will be getting sold if i can't get the kit without it (weakest)

 

[Mental Addiction]

if we already bought a clutch could we opt for the removal of the spec clutch from the kit? and how much will it cut off of it, other wise i will be selling a act or spec clutch depending on which oine can hold the most. how much can the spec hold?

The clutch is Free for orders placed on Aug 16th-Sept 10th.

 

[RyanJayG]

spec > act


quality wise.. what stage ACT do you have?

I know Linuxracr just switched from an ACT stage 3 to a Spec stage 3 hybrid... he says it feels like stock, and it holds 400 lb-ft or somthing

great clutch.. its the one I need/want

 

[Killer 8]

Stage 2 heavy duty i think its rated at 289 last time i looked

 

[Mental Addiction]

Spec clutches IMO is one of the nicest clutches on the market.
Spec's numbers are a bit under rated as well.I have been running a Spec stage 1 and have over 30,000 miles on it.The clutch has seen as much as 16psi and held.The majority of it's life has been between 7-11psi.

 

[protegeV]

SPEC clutches are great...I had one in my old car and preferred it over my friend's car(same one) with a comparable ACT clutch.

 

[Killer 8]

The clutch is Free for orders placed on Aug 16th-Sept 10th.

Thats a very good (thought) ideal but i'd rather save you money instead (2thumbs) . if you want to keep it and take out the overall price thats cool other wise it will go to the for sale board on just go back into the money herd for the kit
either one once i do my investigation haven't installed it yet

 

[ddogg777]

k, here's a question for ya...

is it not a good idea to run the 4-1 header with a smaller turbo? I saw the pics of it, and it just looks a MILLION times better than the log manifold.
First off, would it be worth it to use a turbo like the 2871 under under 12lbs of boost...
If not, would it make sense to run the 4-1 header with the 28rs?

Hey, this is like the first time I have seen you post other than in the FI EVO8 hood thread...

I think I can answer these questions for ya. You are right in saying the 4-1 header is a beautiful piece of work, it is! But you also have to compare the expense to the benefits you hope to get out of it. Do you happen to remember the tests that Terry (I think it was him) ran with his log style and equal length manifolds last year? Only at higher boost levels did the 4-1 manifold start to show fluid dynamic benefits. For most cars that don't plan on adding forged internals or that will be staying below 10psi you really can't beat a log manifold: it is very rigid; it positions the turbo very close to the exhaust pulses; and you can count on it to outlive your turbo.

Concerning the 2871r turbo and lower than 12psi, I would have to say.... probably not worth it. Remember, you want to choose a turbo that will be operating within its efficiency range for the boost/flow that you want to run.

 

[protegeV]

got ya...looks like a bigger turbo and the equal length manifold may be something to look into upgrading down the road, along with forged internals and lowered compression...

 

[protegeV]

btw, i post in a LOT more than the FI EVO8 hood thread...that's just where I do all my whining (lol2)

 

[ddogg777]

got ya...looks like a bigger turbo and the equal length manifold may be something to look into upgrading down the road, along with forged internals and lowered compression...

Exactly, the Sleeper kit is designed to be the ultimate kit for subteen boost pressures and the Thumper kit will be the answer for those who want to go to insane.
Goodnight all, big day ahead of me tomorrow!