mazdaspeed protege Engine Swap ideas...

[AtenzaNY62]

i've heard the mazdaspeed miata's motor is much better last longer too but then again it has a 6 speed tranny... mazdas... not as common as hondas/subies/nissans etc. people hardly do swaps on newer mazdas so it'll probably be pretty hard to get parts and stuff to work everything out

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Yow Alejo mind asking why you want to do an engine swap ? what are you looking for as results ? make more power, have something different or whats the deal...

 

[Flspeed]

Yow Alejo mind asking why you want to do an engine swap ? what are you looking for as results ? make more power, have something different or whats the deal...

You are making the most important point. What is objective. If you are looking for 500hp then you might want to find a different car. These cars were designed to run road courses not straight track. Making this into a 10 second car is posible but would cost a lot of money and may not be worth the headache. If you are looking at building a great running car that could comfortably put down between 200-300 hp then this car would be a great platform. The key is low compression ratio. Try to get as close to 8:1 as you can with a 2.0 displacement then with a closed deck 2.0 block sleeved, low compression pistons and forged rods. Make sure not to cut corners with all the seals, studs, bearings and etc. Almost any motor can put down decent power. It has everything to do with how much power you want. Go into a build with a set plan.

 

[Speed3.5]

You are making the most important point. What is objective. If you are looking for 500hp then you might want to find a different car. These cars were designed to run road courses not straight track. Making this into a 10 second car is posible but would cost a lot of money and may not be worth the headache. If you are looking at building a great running car that could comfortably put down between 200-300 hp then this car would be a great platform. The key is low compression ratio. Try to get as close to 8:1 as you can with a 2.0 displacement then with a closed deck 2.0 block sleeved, low compression pistons and forged rods. Make sure not to cut corners with all the seals, studs, bearings and etc. Almost any motor can put down decent power. It has everything to do with how much power you want. Go into a build with a set plan.

Not that your wrong but obviously you don't know Alejo. He's like half mechanic and bc he knows the weakest point of the engine he's trying to get another one that doesn't have so much weaknesses.

I'm in same place as him but for a DD and somewhere 300 whp this engine could handle and it be good enough for now for me so I will build mine as I go along w/ it.

 

[Flspeed]

I can assure you that if you closed the block deck and sleeved it, you would be able to put down 300hp. There are guys putting down just over 300hp on there stock p5 blocks after turboand etc. It is not that hard to build a block that would take 300hp I have done plenty of research on this subject. Now, that being said the block it self would need some alterations so if you are looking for a a direct drop in then a supercharge 1.8 or turbo charged 1.8 would work. You would have to relocate you motor mounts and go through wiring hell but it could be done.

 

[Flspeed]

Actually, let correct myself on one thing. Technically these block would be considered as semi-closed deck.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I can assure you that if you closed the block deck and sleeved it, you would be able to put down 300hp. There are guys putting down just over 300hp on there stock p5 blocks after turboand etc. It is not that hard to build a block that would take 300hp I have done plenty of research on this subject. Now, that being said the block it self would need some alterations so if you are looking for a a direct drop in then a supercharge 1.8 or turbo charged 1.8 would work. You would have to relocate you motor mounts and go through wiring hell but it could be done.

bro is not about being able to make 300 hp with these FS Block, there are a few MSP's and Regular protgs making big numbers including my self that I'm in the 500 HP range with no problems. and he knows because he did my engine so, is not really about knowing or being able to make power, i think what he wants is to have something different, Trust me these guy is a damn genius when it comes about FS-DE Engines, there is no need to sleeve these engines to make power, pure living proof is the Puerto Rican guys, they are making 740whp on FS-DE engines, without anything special done, that is just amazing...

 

[nc p5]

While were talking swaps has anyone noticed the similarities between mitisubishi 4g63 and the mazda fs the motor mounts are in very similar as well as size i believe your biggest issue would be drive shafts. Unless you went with the 4g63 front wheel tranny. Know that would give you a nuts hybrid swap and the availabilites of alot of aftermarket support and big boost.(drive2)(evil)

 

[Alejo_NIN]

you both make very valid points.
wiring, well..that would be taken care off with a haltech...
motor mount locations:...hence my quetsion to try to find out if anyone has ever installed one of this engines in a protege. i don't want to do custom fabrication

perhaps a day at the junkyard putting motors on different cars would answer this question.

thnx for all the critisism, make syou think about stuff that you may have missed.

any more ideas?

i'm not going for anything crazy like a 4G63 engine swap...they're not even the same brand of vehicles, now..that's crazy!

 

[Flspeed]

I think you guess have some pretty sick ideas. I would love to check out the actual parameters of our blocks but I cant find them online. You might be able to just do a mach up by measuring from the bottom or the tranny bell housing to the motor mounts and then the distance from your firewall to the intake mani of the prospective motor. How much can our blocks take without being sleeved?

 

[Matrix]

ok, so my msp is about to hit 100k miles and i want to do something special to celebrate

the engine is smoking, but i think is the turbo, not the engine.

i could go all out and buy pistons, rods and a bunch of other crap and make the 2l engine stronger OR...

i could swap out the anemic engine for another one.

here's where it gets interesting...

talking to some people that have 99 or lower proteges, they tell me do a 1.8l BP engine swap...or BPT.

now, they use the same g series tranny as the 2.0l uses, so i still can use my MSP transmission wihtout much modification.

has anyone ever thought about this?

i can't seem to find any info anywhere in google...

Go with an FE3 Mazda engine if you can find one!

They put out about 170hp n/a and when boosted they are absolute monsters.

Back in the day, I used to have an 89 Probe GT turbo, and this was the engine all the Mazda guys dreamed of. Corksport might be able to source one for you, but nowadays they can be found cheap if you rip one out of a wrecked Kia Sportage. They ended up in the Kia due to a deal that Mazda and Kia reached - it's still a Mazda engine.

 

[MSP4G63]

While were talking swaps has anyone noticed the similarities between mitisubishi 4g63 and the mazda fs the motor mounts are in very similar as well as size i believe your biggest issue would be drive shafts. Unless you went with the 4g63 front wheel tranny. Know that would give you a nuts hybrid swap and the availabilites of alot of aftermarket support and big boost.(drive2)(evil)

Would do this without hesitation if i had the money lol.

 

[Alejo_NIN]

Go with an FE3 Mazda engine if you can find one!

They put out about 170hp n/a and when boosted they are absolute monsters.

Back in the day, I used to have an 89 Probe GT turbo, and this was the engine all the Mazda guys dreamed of. Corksport might be able to source one for you, but nowadays they can be found cheap if you rip one out of a wrecked Kia Sportage. They ended up in the Kia due to a deal that Mazda and Kia reached - it's still a Mazda engine.

i've actually heard about this engine...i wonder how it would fit!

mang..that'll be sweet

 

[Matrix]

i've actually heard about this engine...i wonder how it would fit!

mang..that'll be sweet

Actually, it should slip right in. It's the predecessor to the FS-series engines. It should even use the same mounts, if I'm not mistaken. Don't quote me on that, though. Find a wrecked 95-03 Kia Sportage and check it out.

Corksport almost supplied me with one a few years back, so they might know a thing or two about getting it to fit.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Actually, it should slip right in. It's the predecessor to the FS-series engines. It should even use the same mounts, if I'm not mistaken. Don't quote me on that, though. Find a wrecked 95-03 Kia Sportage and check it out.

Corksport almost supplied me with one a few years back, so they might know a thing or two about getting it to fit.

isn't better just to search for a wrecked Turbo Probe and buy the engine and tranny and do the swap ? and just forged the internals after...

 

[Alejo_NIN]

the point is going away from having to forge for a mere 250-300 whp

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

the point is going away from having to forge for a mere 250-300 whp

but daniel, is not the same to go forged in the probe engine than with the regular fs, isn't stronger the probe engine anyways ?

 

[Matrix]

but daniel, is not the same to go forged in the probe engine than with the regular fs, isn't stronger the probe engine anyways ?

The engine in the Probe GT Turbo was a SOHC engine. The FE3 DOHC engine was mostly JDM at the time, and was not available in turbo variant in North America. When I said the Probe GT turbo owners used to dream of the FE3 engine, I meant we dreamed of swapping it in and turbocharging it to replace the SOHC engines we had stock.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

The engine in the Probe GT Turbo was a SOHC engine. The FE3 DOHC engine was mostly JDM at the time, and was not available in turbo variant in North America. When I said the Probe GT turbo owners used to dream of the FE3 engine, I meant we dreamed of swapping it in and turbocharging it to replace the SOHC engines we had stock.

oh ok, i get it now. sorry for my ignorance..

 

[Alejo_NIN]

but the FE3 i the one found in the sportage, right?