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the suspense is waaaay overdone. now (getout) and post pics of engine bay
Mazdaspeed 6 UPDATE + Check pg 5 for detailed PICS!
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OK, OK...I will now use the language of my 14 y/o son to address the collective masses.
Since you are all "savages" (LOL) I have been forced to pimp my Black Betty in front of the camera for your satisfaction. You can check out her most private parts at Black Betty on photobucket.com. Keep your privates in your pants....I don't need any stains on the black mica finish thank you.
R
Since you are all "savages" (LOL) I have been forced to pimp my Black Betty in front of the camera for your satisfaction. You can check out her most private parts at Black Betty on photobucket.com. Keep your privates in your pants....I don't need any stains on the black mica finish thank you.
R
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very nice. that hood is mad deep. any visibility problems? also, pics of turbo and piping and broader engine bay pics if you will. thanks. looks great man.
holy s*** man... nice job!! those are some great pictures you took (complete with captions and everything!) I didn't realize the hood was so high. overall, this thread has taken my interest in this car from a 2 all the way up to a 10. I'd be shocked if this isn't my next car.
vindication said:
It is a bit gettting used to when you park forward in a parking garage or against a wall because it is difficult to see the end of the hood, even if you are sitting high up (I am over 6" tall). Otherwise, no problems at all when you are driving. Parking is really the only time you notice it.
I'm trying to figure out how to get pics of the turbo. It is FRIGGING tight back there against the firewall. They really shoe-horned the turbo in there tight.
I'll get some broader engine bay pics tomorrow.
R
CHICO2003 said:
The more I drive this car, the more "savage" I think it is. It just f___ing rocks! I just can't wait until it is broken in so that I can really experience it.
One of the amazing things is how it just seems to keep going in the higher gears. Whatever they did with the gearing seems to have worked, because when you hit 5th and 6th gear and you expect power to drop off, it just seems to keep coming. Now, I have only experienced this at modest RPM as I am still babying it, but if you maintain a constant RPM and upshift from 4th to 5th, the car just seems to find a 2nd wind and take off with more vigour than you would expect after having driven the MSP.
I don't know about the other near-luxury cars to which this will be compared, but I feel that it is every bit the underdog contender with all the amenities and performance to make it a surprise winner. I realize that I am biased, but this things rocks.
R
rocketr2 said:
Technically, not a blow-off, but rather a bypass valve. No real whoosh or turkey, just mad acceleration. Truthfully, I am too busy keeping all 4 wheels pointed in the right direction to listen closely to the BPV, but I don't really recall it making much sound.
R
Looks like a fine piece of work for sure.Thanks for the pics! That hood is alot deeper then I thought it was. Wowzers! Glad your enjoying the car. Keep up the feedback!
Do you notice any turbine lag? One of the owners on the 6club mentioned it as one of the first things he noticed about the car (he owns the silver one I think?) but I haven't heard you complain whatsoever about lag.
Do you notice any turbine lag? One of the owners on the 6club mentioned it as one of the first things he noticed about the car (he owns the silver one I think?) but I haven't heard you complain whatsoever about lag.
There is a slight bit of turbo-lag, but nothing substantial by any means. After coming from the MSP, lag is almost non-existent in comparison.
I'm not sure what the owner of the silver one thinks, but I truly compare the feel of this car to a NA-V8. When you hammer the V8, there is a slight pause before all hell breaks loose. This car is the same. However, the turbo starts spooling much earlier than the MSP (probably around 2400 RPM vs 3500 RPM in my MSP) so the delay is very minimal. I'll try to take some vid clips so that you can get an idea of what I'm talking about.
By all means, this is easily the fastest and the quickest car that I have owned (which is not saying much), but at this point my MSP was fairly quick on the block (no dyno or track times to back it up, just light-to-light comparisons). The MS6 makes it seem like my car was going backwards.
R
I'm not sure what the owner of the silver one thinks, but I truly compare the feel of this car to a NA-V8. When you hammer the V8, there is a slight pause before all hell breaks loose. This car is the same. However, the turbo starts spooling much earlier than the MSP (probably around 2400 RPM vs 3500 RPM in my MSP) so the delay is very minimal. I'll try to take some vid clips so that you can get an idea of what I'm talking about.
By all means, this is easily the fastest and the quickest car that I have owned (which is not saying much), but at this point my MSP was fairly quick on the block (no dyno or track times to back it up, just light-to-light comparisons). The MS6 makes it seem like my car was going backwards.
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what turbo is in the MS6?
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Mmmmmmmm... TMIC......
Rainman said:
I gotta take umbridge with you on this point. While there's no denying the MS6's overall superiority over the outclassed MSP, saying that the msp felt like it was going backwards in comparrison is a bit unfair (and untrue.) Taking 0-60 times into consideration, the best I've seen for both cars is 6.2 & 6.7 A mere half a second. 1/4 mile times are even closer. Again, not trying to say the MSP can hold a candle to the MS6 (considering it's 33% more expensive, there shouldn't really be any comparrison. However, in terms of our car's middle name, these cars are (amazingly) relatively similar. I think it's the power/weight ratio. Personally, I was shocked to see MT's 6.2 & 14.7 times. Especially when the Legacy GT (undoubtely the main competitor) posted a 5.7 & 14.2 Then I took a look at the weight. The MS6 is a solid car for sure... largely due to it's 3500 curb weight. While it's got a whopping 100hp more than the MSP, an extra 700lbs clearly comes close to evening things out a bit.
But I digress.... all of that is moot. Much of my post is hypocritcal since 0-60 & 1/4 times aren't something I'm especially interested in. When I was considering the MSP, one of the reviews that stated it FEELING faster than a WRX (even though it cleary wasn't/isn't) struck a chord. Perception's reality. The sense of speed you've been talking about bodes well for this car. Through in the practicality and handling of AWD (skidpad of .90 / also about the same as the MSP) and, last but not least, a healthy dose of originality (how many freakin TL's, A4's & Maximas does one need to see on the road?) add it all up and, as much as I hate to say it, you've arguably got the best overall bang for your buck mazda's ever produced.
.... if only they fitted it with a decent set of wheels! WTF were they thinking???
CHICO2003 said:
Those Motortrend times weren't actual track testing, they were quoting Mazda's VERY conservative estimates. Look for real times to be around 5.5 and 13.9. I am going to be driving one shortly, I'm just waiting for the mechanic to finish the PDI.(glare)
Since the gearing requires a shift to 3rd to hit 60, I'd say the 0-60 would be around mazda's estimates...but a high 13 low 14 is definitely possible due to the gearing change.
Having to shift to 3rd to reach 60 will ruin the car's 0-60 time. I wish manufacturers would make 0-70, 55-75 (highway passing), more standards to try to move away from the similar gearing almost every car has, to try and get a good 0-60 time.
The biggest difference between the MPS 6 and other recent mazda's is when the power kicks in. The MPS 6 is specifically designed to provide lots of low end torque and low end kick. If your not used to low end torque, it feels rediculous fast when you've got heaploads of it. My previous car was a 74 pontiac, with roughly 400 ft/lbs of torque available at roughly 1500-1700 rpm (6.5 liter v8). It only had 270 bhp, and weighed about 4400 lbs, but it "felt" like it was flying off the line.
If you look at the standard 6, it doesn't even begin to make power till 3k rpm, and doesn't start making a decent amount till 4k rpm. At 3k rpm the MPS 6 is already reaching its torque peak, and by 5500 rpm its reached its power peak, an extra 1000 earlier then a standard 6.
I'd call the MPS 6 an "american" tuned mazda in terms of its power and torque delivery. American's love to not rev, and love to not shift, so they tend to keep the rev's low (just watch some of your non car ethusiast buddies drive if your in the states), so anything provides low end grunt is highly acceptable to them. I wonder if the euro/jdm MPS 6's are running a totally different tune from the US/Canada 6's again. Would be interesting to know!
Having to shift to 3rd to reach 60 will ruin the car's 0-60 time. I wish manufacturers would make 0-70, 55-75 (highway passing), more standards to try to move away from the similar gearing almost every car has, to try and get a good 0-60 time.
The biggest difference between the MPS 6 and other recent mazda's is when the power kicks in. The MPS 6 is specifically designed to provide lots of low end torque and low end kick. If your not used to low end torque, it feels rediculous fast when you've got heaploads of it. My previous car was a 74 pontiac, with roughly 400 ft/lbs of torque available at roughly 1500-1700 rpm (6.5 liter v8). It only had 270 bhp, and weighed about 4400 lbs, but it "felt" like it was flying off the line.
If you look at the standard 6, it doesn't even begin to make power till 3k rpm, and doesn't start making a decent amount till 4k rpm. At 3k rpm the MPS 6 is already reaching its torque peak, and by 5500 rpm its reached its power peak, an extra 1000 earlier then a standard 6.
I'd call the MPS 6 an "american" tuned mazda in terms of its power and torque delivery. American's love to not rev, and love to not shift, so they tend to keep the rev's low (just watch some of your non car ethusiast buddies drive if your in the states), so anything provides low end grunt is highly acceptable to them. I wonder if the euro/jdm MPS 6's are running a totally different tune from the US/Canada 6's again. Would be interesting to know!
crossbow said:
I think that this torque issue is very true and certainly what gives the impression of being much quicker than the MSP. If you go by numbers cited by Mazda and everyone's uncle, this car is not really quicker than the MSP. I doubt that it is more agile either. However, recall that since every NA article on the MSP was written the cars were held up because it was felt NA-cans would not like the proposed final gearing (it being too much geared toward highway cruising and not enough low-end off-the-line punch). With the changes that were made with the gearing this, as-yet-untested, car is much more responsive from the get-go. Add this change to the flatness of its torque curve and you need to hold on as things unfold rather quickly.
I didn't expect the car to be as quick as it is as a result of Mazda's quoted numbers. However, I don't believe the quoted numbers are accurate now that the gearing for NA vehicles (US and CAN) has been revised.
It would be interesting to have one of the journalists who tested a pre-regeared MPS test the final production model MS6 so that we could see there reactions. Personally, after driving them back-to-back (I still have the MSP) over the weekend I still find the MS6 WAY quicker and WAY faster than the MSP. The MSP will produce power quick enough at WOT, but it just doesn't produce the same torque as the MS6 so the power doesn't seem productive. In addition, the MSP generates lots of wheel-hop, of which there is NONE in the MS6. Hit it and you get a tiny bit of wheel-spin and then warp speed...all 4 wheels turning. The experience is not quite the same in the MSP.
Very close to my house is a long straight strip between an industrial complex and the back of a residential area. I used to drive my 14 y/o son to and from football practice along this route. I would occasionally hit it in the MSP for a short burst just to feel the MSP take off. My son, also a car fan, would love it. After hitting this same strip in the MS6 once I'll quote comments he made with an ear-to-ear grin...."Holy s***, this car is scary fast!"
Now, I've never had a 300-400HP+ 4 cyl car before, so this may be chump-change to the guys who have one of those. However, this car is denitely quick enough to surprise more than a few people in other performance marques. When the Toronto rep presented the car to me, he mentioned that the car was an "Audi killer in sheep's clothing." Mazda hype no doubt, but after driving it for a week or so now I'm not so sure that it was all hype.
I'm biased because I own it and love it. But I definitely believe that anyone who is basing their opinion of the car on previously reported times will be very pleasantly surprised.
R
Ok, I'm back!!
I didn't get to drive the car, but I went along with the mechanic on the PDI drive. He was easing into the throttle, not mashing it down so it was hard to gage the performance. But it does pull hard in all gears. Like its was stated before downshifting is not really required for making manouvers because the torque is there all the time. I was VERY impressed with how quiet the car was in the cockpit. Very little wind or road noise and you can hardly here the engine under normal driving. Only when you put the hammer down can you even tell the car is running. Unfortunately he was pretty mellow and didn't drive it hard enough for me to really tell how well it handles.
From what I experienced I can't honestly say it felt like a 13.9 sec car, but he was easing into it so who knows. I had coffee yesterday with one of the testers for the AJAC (Auto Journalists Association of Canada) awards. They just finished testing 61 new models for 2006. He said it was one of the nicest driving cars he's ever driven. One of the tests is on an oval track. The Speed 6 was the second fastest around the track out of 61 cars. Only the Z06 beat it, which obviously slaughtered everything. Results of these test will be released to the public first week of December.
I didn't get to drive the car, but I went along with the mechanic on the PDI drive. He was easing into the throttle, not mashing it down so it was hard to gage the performance. But it does pull hard in all gears. Like its was stated before downshifting is not really required for making manouvers because the torque is there all the time. I was VERY impressed with how quiet the car was in the cockpit. Very little wind or road noise and you can hardly here the engine under normal driving. Only when you put the hammer down can you even tell the car is running. Unfortunately he was pretty mellow and didn't drive it hard enough for me to really tell how well it handles.
From what I experienced I can't honestly say it felt like a 13.9 sec car, but he was easing into it so who knows. I had coffee yesterday with one of the testers for the AJAC (Auto Journalists Association of Canada) awards. They just finished testing 61 new models for 2006. He said it was one of the nicest driving cars he's ever driven. One of the tests is on an oval track. The Speed 6 was the second fastest around the track out of 61 cars. Only the Z06 beat it, which obviously slaughtered everything. Results of these test will be released to the public first week of December.
