Mazda without Ford
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They benefit today because of platform sharing with volvo, which cuts cost. They then invest in their designs and handling. Which is why they make awesome cars. Their relationship with Ford is actually beneficial.
Just get like... 10-12 years back and Mazda was almost, well nothing. They were kept alive with their 323s that were nice little cars. The 626 never really did lift. The 929 was well, their luxury model.
Then there were also the Precidia. Some success here. And the Mystere (called that way in Canada). Ahhhh the Mystere. Mazda should get this model back... The rare ones I see, I still find them beautiful.
But the point is that Mazda, when they redesigned the 323 (wow we saw this model here for like 6 months - ugly as hell), almost disappeared from the market (well in NA for sure).
Ah finally, found the M323 I was talking about:
Actually, I think the Protege saved Mazda, and that was a model designed with Ford IIRC.
Then there were also the Precidia. Some success here. And the Mystere (called that way in Canada). Ahhhh the Mystere. Mazda should get this model back... The rare ones I see, I still find them beautiful.
But the point is that Mazda, when they redesigned the 323 (wow we saw this model here for like 6 months - ugly as hell), almost disappeared from the market (well in NA for sure).
Ah finally, found the M323 I was talking about:
Actually, I think the Protege saved Mazda, and that was a model designed with Ford IIRC.
I hate Ford as an organization for deciding it was cheaper to kill people with the Pinto and pay off the families later than it was to fix the Pinto. Nevertheless, I have to agree that Mazda would likely not exist today without them. I like our 5 extremely well (except the front head rests) and don't care that Ford also uses the engine block in the Ranger and whatever else. Nor do I care that platforms are shared (GOOD platforms). That just means there is more money available for Mazda R&D.
So I suppose I hadn't thought of Mazda without Ford, but when I do I'm not sure the picture looks very rosy at all.
So I suppose I hadn't thought of Mazda without Ford, but when I do I'm not sure the picture looks very rosy at all.
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but then again what do any of us truly understand about the finances of these multi million dollar corporations anyways? Sure Mazda benefits by sharing the same platforms as volvos but....could the company survive without ford???? I sure think so. If they were going to rival honda or toyota they would have done so by now. In fact i think the ford name just might tarnish the way some people view the company. Lets look at the companies that ford owns a stake in.. Volvo, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lincoln/Mercury, and Volvo. Are any of these companies really doing better because of Ford? I think Ford is in fact holding back Mazda. Although i know better im gonna say what the average joe shmoe thinks..."Why would i buy a Mazda 6 when i can just buy the one its based off of (fusion)?" Its the same reason why Mercury will never be anything more than a second rate car company. Mazda will never be able to seperate itself from the pack or even catch up to the pack while ford owns it.
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-Sorry if i seem edgy, i havent had my nicorette in a few hours
When were Mazda's sales anywhere close to Honda and Toyota?
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maybe in the 80's when honda and toyota sales sucked. Oh and Toyota and Honda did it without Ford.
I remember those 323s. I had a 1983 model, 4-door 1.3L . Used it for 11 years in the hot middle east weather. A similar vehicle in another country looked the same -- and it was the Ford Laser.Just get like... 10-12 years back and Mazda was almost, well nothing. They were kept alive with their 323s that were nice little cars. The 626 never really did lift. The 929 was well, their luxury model.
Then there were also the Precidia. Some success here. And the Mystere (called that way in Canada). Ahhhh the Mystere. Mazda should get this model back... The rare ones I see, I still find them beautiful.
But the point is that Mazda, when they redesigned the 323 (wow we saw this model here for like 6 months - ugly as hell), almost disappeared from the market (well in NA for sure).
Ah finally, found the M323 I was talking about:
Actually, I think the Protege saved Mazda, and that was a model designed with Ford IIRC.
not to kill anyones hype but you cannot even closely compare honda or toyota to a mazda. I am a diehard toyota fan and went to mazda to see what i was missing and let me tell you. Ive never had so much s*** break on my toyota as on my p5 and msp, from daily beatings. Mazdas are more for everday economy cars, and take no abuse without upgrading and even then s*** still breaks.
Well my Tundra had to get it brakes replaced every other oil change for the first two years while I fought with toyota to resolve the issue, only to move onto their exhaust manifold issues. My Tundra hasn't really let me down, so I agree Toyota builds some solid cars, but Toyota by far has the worst customer service I've ever dealt with, their system of problem reporting and resolution is junk and frustrating at the least. Toyota's are also very bland but high on themselves as seen in their customer service dept. I won't buy a new toyota if I can ever help it, Mazda has value, handling, beauty, and innovativeness. No car model is without its lemons... not even Toyota.
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bland is an understatment.
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there'd be No mazda without ford, but also ford waited too long to use more mazda/ford stuff in there cars,the did escorts/proteges in the 90's then stoped. They should've been doing this since the eightys then ford would have a better rep. now I can't understand how hondas have so much valve, my last 2 were s***.
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I always thought it doesn't really matter as long as the car lasts 5 yrs without costing a lot to maintain. Also it doesn't matter because 3 yrs down the road you have a brand new model out to rope in new leases with. It's all about maintaining a steady income (in the millions) forget everything else you ever thought. Dealers think about banks twice before they think about a car.
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lol the same can be said with the civic and camery with my family! I say its all on how people drive the car and just well luck witht he company in general.
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Yes no car company is perfect- everone has their skeletons. Marketing is what makes us believe in the hype about Toyota and Honda. If a commercial citing JD Power (now a BIG joke) say that a car is reliable then the audience will believe it is reliable. The same goes for Chevy fans who actually think their Chevy is "built like a rock"- pfff more like cardboard.
I've owned Toyotas, Hondas (a trouble-prone Pilto and a hollow-tin-can Civic) and I was unimpressed. Mazda has always appealed to me because they are committed to their vision or giving BMW-type performance to the many.
Mazda isn't perfect, but unlike other companes they chose to focus their strengths in one area- performance and fun to drive ratio for the dollar. The world doesn't need another bland as stale bread Toyota or Honda- although recent Volkswagen products are finding success at doing just that. There's no way anyone can accuse Mazda of being derivative. Unlike many company's Mazda is crystal clear about what their goals are.
The fact they are owned by Ford is beside the point. If you like them and enjoy their products who gives a flying F*** who owns them.
Yes no car company is perfect- everone has their skeletons. Marketing is what makes us believe in the hype about Toyota and Honda. If a commercial citing JD Power (now a BIG joke) say that a car is reliable then the audience will believe it is reliable. The same goes for Chevy fans who actually think their Chevy is "built like a rock"- pfff more like cardboard.
I've owned Toyotas, Hondas (a trouble-prone Pilto and a hollow-tin-can Civic) and I was unimpressed. Mazda has always appealed to me because they are committed to their vision or giving BMW-type performance to the many.
Mazda isn't perfect, but unlike other companes they chose to focus their strengths in one area- performance and fun to drive ratio for the dollar. The world doesn't need another bland as stale bread Toyota or Honda- although recent Volkswagen products are finding success at doing just that. There's no way anyone can accuse Mazda of being derivative. Unlike many company's Mazda is crystal clear about what their goals are.
The fact they are owned by Ford is beside the point. If you like them and enjoy their products who gives a flying F*** who owns them.
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lol @ JD power
I love statistics.
Not to get off subject but marketing is nuts!!
There was a chevy commercial a few months back saying
"Chevy sells more cars in LA than in any other market"
and im thinking to myself...."SO"
LA is a big market duh! Any manufacturer can make that claim.
LOL even better was a ford commercial that was advertising the Fusion. They said "the most fun vehicle to drive in its class*"
the following is no joke and was in the legal mumbo jumbo in fine print at the end of the commercial.
" *Excluding Mazda6 "
Go ford!
I love statistics.
Not to get off subject but marketing is nuts!!
There was a chevy commercial a few months back saying
"Chevy sells more cars in LA than in any other market"
and im thinking to myself...."SO"
LA is a big market duh! Any manufacturer can make that claim.
LOL even better was a ford commercial that was advertising the Fusion. They said "the most fun vehicle to drive in its class*"
the following is no joke and was in the legal mumbo jumbo in fine print at the end of the commercial.
" *Excluding Mazda6 "
Go ford!
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