Mazda Oil Filter Question

My thoughts are first, the oil filter is tiny. My Goldwing motorcycle has a bigger filter. Denso is the oem for mazda and Toyota. I’m always going to use a Mazda filter. Why? Because it’s guaranteed to have the flow potential that my skyactive turbo engine requires. I do my own oil changes, I discovered the dealer had installed the value line filter when I bought the car. If you have the dealership doing your oil changes, you are probably getting the value line filter, it will have a MV at the end of the part number on your invoice. To me, the regular factory installed filter is usually just a few bucks more, even cheaper on line. It’s a $40,000 car. I see a few comments about the oil change interval, pointing out how modern synthetic oil will last through the long OE recommend interval. The reason to change the oil more often, in my case every 3,500 miles, is not because the oil doesn’t have the potential to go 7,000 miles. It does.

The reason I recommend more frequent oil changes to my customers with mazda skyactive engines is the incredible compression ratio those clever engines can achieve. In the NA, up to 14.5 to 1, 13.5 in the US, and 10.5 in the turbo. With those values, (used to be found in racing engines only) the engine is going to experience some significant blow by and windage. If you have seen one idle with the oil cap loose for a moment, that cap will dance from the windage. What that means to the oil is fuel contamination. Sure, you can have your oil analyzed, or just take a whiff off the dipstick.🤣 By about 3,500 miles I can smell fuel. I use what I believe is a very good quality oil, pennzoil ultra. Great as it is, fuel will break it down.

It’s just my opinion, but that’s the reason I don’t go 5,000 or 7,000 miles oil change intervals. I’ve taken a look at filters, like wix xp. It would probably filter better than the denso made OE, but Im not sure about flow specs and every aftermarket filter for our application has a adbv, the OE doesn’t. Mazda sure keeps it’s specs on bypass range hidden, I can’t find a spec on that either.
 
I believe I've read it is similar to the Subaru oil filter, with a higher bypass pressure relief valve. Operation of the engine with a lower pressure valve might let unfiltered oil through.
 
Interesting conversation with the parts guy at my Mazda dealership today. I went in to get a couple of oil filters and antifreeze, I specifically asked for the "Thailand" filters as I didn't want the MV filters. He said they (the dealership) didn't carry the MV filters anymore. I asked why and he said the OE from Thailand is the better one. They must have had some experiences with the MV one to not order it in anymore. Good enough for me.
 
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I picked up a couple of the Japanese made Roki filters for the turbo. Honestly I think the turbo denso made filters are better if flow is a concern. The Roki filters have 6 small round inlet holes, the denso has 8 oval , larger holes.
 
I picked up a couple of the Japanese made Roki filters for the turbo. Honestly I think the turbo denso made filters are better if flow is a concern. The Roki filters have 6 small round inlet holes, the denso has 8 oval , larger holes.
I understand the importance of flow on Skyactiv engines and appreciate your earlier post about shorter OCI. I wonder if there are two parts of the flow: fresh oil entering the top inlet holes into the filter media, and exiting through the inner tube/core/support. Do they both matter? 😅
 
I understand the importance of flow on Skyactiv engines and appreciate your earlier post about shorter OCI. I wonder if there are two parts of the flow: fresh oil entering the top inlet holes into the filter media, and exiting through the inner tube/core/support. Do they both matter? 😅
Sure it matters but I didn’t take it apart, just an outside look and observation. The new filters look as well made as the sought after rokis.
 
Sure it matters but I didn’t take it apart, just an outside look and observation. The new filters look as well made as the sought after rokis.
I was obsessed with filters. Cut open quite a few filters and watched videos of more getting cut open. My focus has been with the filters for NA 2.0. The OEM design makes sense. Nothing else on the market is close. The Wix filter has a much shorter filter media, though without a adbv. The next one I plan to use with my 3K OCI is an AC Delco (which seems to be structurally the same as Supertech). It has enough holes on top to constitute about the same inlet opening area as the OEM, damn adbv, and a nylon cage that is practically a bikini when compared to the Oem's one piece bathing suit. 😳 I will edit when I find a better analogy.

The bottom line is, I agree, OEM is superior. Personally I haven't got my hands on a genuine Mazda japanese filter.
 
I was obsessed with filters. Cut open quite a few filters and watched videos of more getting cut open. My focus has been with the filters for NA 2.0. The OEM design makes sense. Nothing else on the market is close. The Wix filter has a much shorter filter media, though without a adbv. The next one I plan to use with my 3K OCI is an AC Delco (which seems to be structurally the same as Supertech). It has enough holes on top to constitute about the same inlet opening area as the OEM, damn adbv, and a nylon cage that is practically a bikini when compared to the Oem's one piece bathing suit. 😳 I will edit when I find a better analogy.

The bottom line is, I agree, OEM is superior. Personally I haven't got my hands on a genuine Mazda japanese filter.
The wix filter doesn’t have a anti drain back valve? I thought they did. The turbo oem filter doesn’t.
 
Wix 57002 is the only one that I am aware of. Was about to order until I saw the cut-open video. I do not understand why the filter element has to be so short. I had a royal purple filter like that.

I do not know if Wix 57002 is rated for turbo?

 
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Wix 57002 is the only one that I am aware of. Was about to order until I saw the cut-open video. I do not understand why the filter element has to be so short. I had a royal purple filter like that.

I do not know if Wix 57002 is rated for turbo?

On their site, the bypass is set at 11 psi . The turbo oem filter is believed to be 22psi. 11 is the spec of the natural aspirated I believe . Wix shows the same filter for the n/a and the turbo. That’s the reason why I don’t use the wix xp and stick with the oem. There’s not enough information about the skyactive oil system, questions I have about the oil pump relief setting and if we ever get an actual point where the filter bypass functions. It could not even get to that high of a differential pressure.
 
On their site, the bypass is set at 11 psi . The turbo oem filter is believed to be 22psi. 11 is the spec of the natural aspirated I believe . Wix shows the same filter for the n/a and the turbo. That’s the reason why I don’t use the wix xp and stick with the oem. There’s not enough information about the skyactive oil system, questions I have about the oil pump relief setting and if we ever get an actual point where the filter bypass functions. It could not even get to that high of a differential pressure.
The lower psi for the bypass valve means the unfiltered oil will circulate the engine earlier. 🤦 Hopefully shorter oci (3K next) will never get me there.

On Amazon I saw a Japanese made filter that is fit for the NA 2.0. Bought it and will test it out. It looks like a regular filter with nothing geared towards Mazdas. I believe this Beck Arney was also available on RockAuto and at some point made in PRC. I am curious about Japanese quality but otherwise it doesn't seem to have any winning points.


I read about how Denso makes the OEM filter. The Denso unit that fits my CX-3 is 150-2002. A BITOG post shows the cut open look and it has a shorty element with tall bypass valve, unlike the oem. It also has the adbv. I opted not to try.

 
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Maybe it's different for cars made in Mexico, but for the models coming from Japan (CX-5, MX-5), the filter is from Tokyo Roki.
 
Good point. I never looked into where my CX-3 was made. When I worked at the dealership, some customers would specify that they only wanted units (model specific) from Japan. I recall it was the 3s that were made in both. The manager would search the inventory based on VIN to meet that request, when possible.

@CycleChris Sorry I just realized that it wasn't clear to me, was your Roki filter an OEM or aftermarket? 😅
 
pennzoil is giving a free oil analysis with the purchase of 5qts or a 5qt jug..thru Polaris labs. I have done 12 oil changes the last being at ~42000 miles. maybe on my next change which which is coming up in ~1500 miles or so I will slap a mazda value filter on and run it and see how the free analysis looks.
 
Good point. I never looked into where my CX-3 was made. When I worked at the dealership, some customers would specify that they only wanted units (model specific) from Japan. I recall it was the 3s that were made in both. The manager would search the inventory based on VIN to meet that request, when possible.

@CycleChris Sorry I just realized that it wasn't clear to me, was your Roki filter an OEM or aftermarket? 😅
The reason for my comment was the OEM part of your post. The filters that Chris is talking about are the Thailand filters 1WPY and 1WPE we can get from the dealership. I discovered and posted about the bypass difference here: Any brake updates for 2022+ CX-5?
 
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