You're wasting your time - he just wants to argue a weak stance. He will insist he's right even though everybody knows EPA estimates are unlikely to be achieved in the real world, especially when going 80 mph. But he will insist this is common. And he won't give up.
Mazda -- Most Fuel Effieient Automaker
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You're wasting your time - he just wants to argue a weak stance. He will insist he's right even though everybody knows EPA estimates are unlikely to be achieved in the real world, especially when going 80 mph. But he will insist this is common. And he won't give up.
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Our vehicles:
1998 Honda CR-V AWD 4-speed automatic: EPA 19/23/20 city/highway/combined MPG.
Fuelly.com real-world MPG: ~24 MPG.
FuelEconomy.gov average real-world MPG: 23.8 MPG
2000 BMW 528i 5-speed automatic: EPA 16/24/19 city/highway/combined MPG.
Fuelly.com real-world MPG: ~24 MPG
FuelEconomy.gov average real-world MPG: 26.3 MPG
2016 Mazda CX-5 AWD 6-speed automatic: EPA 24/30/26 city/highway/combined MPG.
Fuelly.com real-world MPG: ~27 MPG
FuelEconomy.gov average real-world MPG: 27.3 MPG
The real-world average MPGs are better than EPA highway estimates on CR-V and 528i, just like I experienced. And both have pre-2008 EPA fuel economy estimates which are 22% over-estimated highway rating than current calculation!
The point here is our two other vehicles can easily beat EPA highway estimates which were already 22% over-estimated even at 75 mph from my personal experience. Even the average real-world MPG is better than EPA highway estimates! This is definitely not the case for Mazda CX-5!
Most of the jeeps on fuely are diesel and are rated way higher than the gas models.
I highlighted the V8 ones for you.
Do you really think the guy getting 13.0MPG thinks his jeep beats its EPA ratings?
Where are you getting those Fuelly averages??
I'm seeing:
Looks like your numbers were way off..
The CRV gets an average of 20.4MPG which is 18.4% below the 25MPG HWY it was originally rated at.
The BMW gets an average of 21.8 which is 16.2% below the 26MPH HWY it was originally rated at.
meanwhile the 2014 ( I choose the 2014 because it has the most samples) CX-5 gets an average of 27.2 MPG which is between 9.3% and 15% less than the HWY rating of 32MPG FWD or 30MPG AWD.
I'm seeing:
nope.. the numbers you quoted are not the original EPA numbers.
Looks like your numbers were way off..
The CRV gets an average of 20.4MPG which is 18.4% below the 25MPG HWY it was originally rated at.
The BMW gets an average of 21.8 which is 16.2% below the 26MPH HWY it was originally rated at.
meanwhile the 2014 ( I choose the 2014 because it has the most samples) CX-5 gets an average of 27.2 MPG which is between 9.3% and 15% less than the HWY rating of 32MPG FWD or 30MPG AWD.
You're not going to convince these two of anything. They are like Energizer Bunnies who have been given an edict - all the facts and figures in the world will not get them to reason.
Everybody knows EPA numbers are optimistic - except for those two.
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So you think everyone on Fuelly is wrong? Wasn't that the thrust of your argument previously? "But fuelly!!!" LOL, and now "it's a weak stance".
Right on, Mike. Right on. The only stance that you think has any merit is your own. Of course, you make 7 figures a year, so you must be doing something right, who are we to argue? (and why are you driving a cheap CUV on that kind of income?)
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I changed the descriptor, and came up with 15mpg on Fuelly for a 2008 HEMI powered Jeep. Mine was a 2010, which had a better motor though, so who knows? (better heads, and VVT were incorporated). That said, the only "mostly highway" driven Jeep HEMI of similar year I could find averaged almost 22mpg. Here is that:Most of the jeeps on fuely are diesel and are rated way higher than the gas models.
I highlighted the V8 ones for you.
Do you really think the guy getting 13.0MPG thinks his jeep beats its EPA ratings?
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=mpgData&vehicleID=28762 &browser=true&details=on
Seems his experience on the highway equals mine, although we don't know what speed he was going, he trumped the EPA numbers, and I doubt his highway speed is 50.1 mph or whatever.
Here is what the lone Mazda user is seeing, which is almost what I'm seeing. About 22-23mpg in the city.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=mpgData&vehicleID=34657 &browser=true&details=on
Here are the FWD users, still not seeing what hte sticker says they should:
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=mpgData&vehicleID=34654 &browser=true&details=on
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Wow......When I joined this forum, I did so to share information and learn about other CX-5 owners experiences. I did not expect to see such childish, snide comments coming from adults. Can we stick to the facts and talk about the VEHICLE, not the person???!!!????
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It's a car forum. This is what the automotive world is like at every single level. I mean, c'mon, Ford v. Chevy isn't the ONLY rivalry around...
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par for the course with any online forum. personal attacks, political opinions inserted.... nothing new here.
Huh? Was the comment about people not accepting facts the one considered childish? There is a lot of hot smoke presented as facts, but I'm not seeing childish interactions as a result.
Funny, I gave up on this thread at Page 3. Noticed today it was at 7 pages so I had a look. From the last two entries I can see nothing new has been written. I always thought certain people should own a Isuzu as in
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Just saying, ladies and gentlemen, let's keep this discussion on topic, without personal attacks. This forum doesn't seem to have a moderator, like other forums I have participated in. I love the spirited discussions and opinions and look forward to the many views presented here. Now back on topic.....
I have mostly mixed driving (75% in-town, 25% hwy) and average between 24-25 MPG. My highest MPG has been obtained on a trip from GA to PA, obviously mostly HWY miles - 31MPG. I have owned this car for 8 months and have been very pleased with the mileage. If the real world mileage is somewhat close to the advertised estimate, then I am a happy camper. I traded a 2015 Jeep Cherokee in for this CX-5 and couldn't be happier!
I have mostly mixed driving (75% in-town, 25% hwy) and average between 24-25 MPG. My highest MPG has been obtained on a trip from GA to PA, obviously mostly HWY miles - 31MPG. I have owned this car for 8 months and have been very pleased with the mileage. If the real world mileage is somewhat close to the advertised estimate, then I am a happy camper. I traded a 2015 Jeep Cherokee in for this CX-5 and couldn't be happier!
The autoblog article that this thread referred to initially talks about Mazda's combined MPG. Am I safe to assume this is an average of all Mazda products compared to the overall/combined MPG of other manufacturers? I just wanted to make sure I understand the focus of the article....
Mazda is pushing the laws of physics on efficiency. No vehicle can defy the laws of physics.
No SUV with same CX-5 frontal area does better.
I've owned many cars and none of them outperformed the EPA mpg rating.
Here is Edmund story explaining EPA mpg rating.
Here's Why Real-World MPG Doesn't Match EPA Ratings
http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/heres-why-real-world-mpg-doesnt-match-epa-ratings.html
Here's Why Real-World MPG Doesn't Match EPA Ratings
http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/heres-why-real-world-mpg-doesnt-match-epa-ratings.html
Very odd having so many different stories. But I've seen that with in all car forums. If I do 60 going to work, about a 25 min stretch of highway. When I go into fuel monitor for this drive, definitely will be at least 32mpg. Have done it many times and I always get above 30mpg if doing 60.
That's getting a little personal and I've always dodged your questions on my income except to say that it's highly variable year to year. Why do you say I drive a "cheap" SUV? I drive the best handling CUV in the business. I love it's nimble steering and it's rigid but light chassis helps it not only drive well but also contributes to it's superior crash test results. Plus, it's reliability means I'm not spending my free time at the dealership. This car puts a smile on my face and is easy to own. Isn't that what it's all about?
Yes, I could have purchased a BMW but, guess what - I don't think it's as good of a vehicle. And being a snow skier, I also like doing my part to mitigate my impact on global warming. No BMW big enough for my 6'-04" frame is going to return 32.4 MPG lifetime average including every warm-up, every off-road excursion and every hour stuck idling in a snow cluster **** caused by bozos who think their 4wd vehicle doesn't need winter tires because it has AWD.(hand)
Take your personal attacks about my private life elsewhere and focus on arguing your silly position that all your previous cars exceeded EPA MPG estimates when going 80 mph and the CX-5 should too. Everyone knows cars generally don't get EPA estimates in the real world. Count yourself fortunate if yours actually did but I suspect a little bit of selective memory.
